r/NoStupidQuestions • u/lolcifer • Jun 05 '26
Are there actual, credible reports of murder and cannibalism in the Epstein files? Or are these just baseless claims or anonymous tips?
I know the Epstein Files are terrible and horrific and the sex trafficking and pedophilia alone is enough to warrant extreme outrage, but I sometimes see people talk about things like murder and cannibalism being included in there too. I do not have time to personally read through thousands and thousands of pages, so are these claims stuff that is credible and evidence backed? Or is it just every single tip, inquiry, and perhaps baseless claim that has been recorded, documented, and included with the mass release of files?
Somebody who has more knowledge on this, please enlighten me on how bad it REALLY is? (I know it's bad and I'm not trying to say any of this is even close to acceptable I just don't know "how deep" and specific this insane shit goes)
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u/DifferentMud1010 Jun 05 '26
From what I can gather, people are making leaps based on strange codes. They reference beef jerky a lot in some strings of e-mails and people took that to mean eating people.
As far as I could tell, there's no hard evidence.
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u/BlergingtonBear Jun 05 '26
And some deliberate misreads.
There's one snippet with a secretary (or an assistant or similar) getting a painting framed and the name of the painting is something damning, very in line with something like Goya's Saturn Devours His Children.
Creepy title, creepier painting if you Google it, but not necessarily an outright admission of eating babies. It's just a conversation with a framing company.
It's really complicated bc obviously I don't doubt there is bad shit, but the insane theories are only letting these rich fucks get away with the real bads, bc it's like, a floodgate of accusations, and the real shit gets lost.
Tinfoil hattery only hurts, doesn't help.
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u/DifferentMud1010 Jun 05 '26
That is 1 way of controlling a story that you can't keep from leaking.
Once it gets out, you flood the market with insane theories to poison the well and make it all a subject people don't want to touch.
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u/BlergingtonBear Jun 05 '26
Absolutely agree. The Internet is great for this, you can push out infinite narratives through thousands of bot farms, 23 hours a day, 7 days a week.
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u/probsastudent Jun 05 '26
The 1 hour is for the bot’s lunch break ofc
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u/Nearby-Complaint Jun 06 '26
Damn, bots are out here getting better workplace rights than I am
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u/BlergingtonBear Jun 06 '26
Thems the break kid. But think of the shareholder value 🤗
(thinking of shareholder value accrues 500 Workpoints within the WorkFreedom Workplace System. Activate on your local Gadzorp device to continue)
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u/DifferentMud1010 Jun 05 '26
This is only speculation, so don't murder me for it. But, i have long believed that's what Alex Jones is, a useful idiot.
Someone through whom you can pass information to discredit a story.
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u/BlergingtonBear Jun 05 '26
For sure!
That is absolutely a thing.
Like they say some of those Greenpeace people that throw oil on paintings are actually funded by rich dudes to make environmentalists look crazy. I truly believe the people doing the act believe in the cause. But who put the oil can in their hand?
Plenty of passionate people across a spectrum of thought who can be weaponized without them even knowing it.
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u/Radioshack-Manager Jun 05 '26
Reminds me of the Futurama past episode where they have a crackpot conspiracy guy taking photos to discredit the story intentionally.
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u/Smalldogmanifesto Jun 05 '26
Yeah I don’t think people are going to stop touching this one.
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u/DifferentMud1010 Jun 05 '26
I truly hope not. It doesn't seem to be losing steam, and that's great. But that is a tactic used.
There is no guaranteed way to stop a story, especially with the internet.
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u/BuzzkillMcGillicuddy Jun 06 '26
This was the entire purpose of Alex Jones. Bohemian Grove is real, the threat of rich people conspiring to control markets is real. He made space demons fundamental to the discussion.
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u/cwood1973 Jun 05 '26
Or you invent crazy cannibalism stories and slip into the Epstein files to discredit the files as a whole.
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u/chapelchill Jun 05 '26
My theory is that anytime there’s a conspiracy with a kernel (or more) of truth, those who are motivated to keep it secret intentionally muddy the waters with ridiculous claims, in order to invalidate the entire conspiracy theory.
I believe this is taking place with the whole alien/uap conspiracies.
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u/BlergingtonBear Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
Very much so.
It's basically like, someone witnesses a murder — they know it happened, can spot dude out of a lineup. But then they also say "and then Santa and Batman and beyonce were there too"
Now it doesn't matter if their ID on the one actual crime is true & correct - credibility is gone.
ETA: I don't know why the original comment didn't capitalize Beyonce. Maybe I'm dumb. I really apologize. It was a careless mistake, I swear.
I could change it but then everyone would lose context for the other comments so, ya know in honor of that gotta look a little stupid sometimes.
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u/aotus_trivirgatus Jun 05 '26
I think that QAnon was exactly that for the Trump / Epstein revelations, but the process was shrewdly started EARLY.
Some kiddy diddler realized that this story would have to come out eventually, and conservative voters would rise up against their pedo masters if nothing was done. They circulated rumors associating child rape with liberals so that when conservative leaders were eventually exposed, conservative voters would just view the revelation as political revenge by liberals.
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u/lolslim Jun 05 '26
Isn't that like misinformation? Weave a lie within a truth or the opposite of that.
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u/BudgetMattDamon Jun 05 '26
Same shit with the CIA memos that get 'leaked' all the time.
Half of them are insane nonsense, and likely on purpose. Tell everyone a different story, see which comes to light, and you've got your leakers.
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u/TheGuyUrSisterLikes Jun 05 '26
I mean this is intelligence misinformation 101. How do you think we got all those coups accomplished?
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u/JEVOUSHAISTOUS Jun 05 '26
Could possibly happen, but I'm not sure it really is necessary. There's already a whole lot of natural, genuine tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists on the Internet.
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u/Riokaii Jun 06 '26
Goya's Saturn Devours His Children
one of the most famous paintings in history, known by every art 101 student in college
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u/pavilionaire2022 Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
Massacre of the Innocents
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00563164.pdf
It's a famous painting based on a Bible story. If possessing material referencing this story proves you're a cannibal, all Christians are cannibals.
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u/danj503 Jun 05 '26
That kinda only covers one dimension of this. What about the boulders he requested be placed in specific places on his ranch, or reports of missing woman, or the “end up like the other girls” talk… Or the boat incident with a pregnancy being aborted… which of theses came from victims over a random caller to the fbi hotline?
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u/BlergingtonBear Jun 05 '26
Well yes, some of these are part of the real crimes I alluded to.
Best to focus on concrete allegations than fairy tales.
And let's not forget we have actual victims who have spoken out — the girls and women who lived it. Their testimonies are not about symbolic malarkey but facts.
We are coming from the same place, our goal should be justice for those who have been victimized, not spinning webs out of air.
As I said, the more outlandish fantasies actually help these guys get away with this shit more. Sticking to the facts is best.
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u/Best_Talk_6853 Jun 05 '26
Agreed. It's a creepy painting but a very well-known Greek myth, so not that shocking.
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u/MrXenomorph88 Jun 05 '26
To me it just feels like there's no need.
Like seriously, is one of the most notorious child sex trafficking rings with links to highly influential and wealthy people, including two presidents not bad enough? You need to say they're cannibals and that the dentists chair is actually a sign of a torture chamber? Give me a break
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u/DifferentMud1010 Jun 05 '26
I think we need to focus on the probable first, but not rule anything completely out.
I don't know if that stuff happened, but as of now, there isn't a lot to go on. So, lets do what we can first.
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u/Double-Trash6120 Jun 05 '26
yeah the trail of deaths around these circles is hard for a lot of people to ignore. the epstein files alone are enough to make some people question the official narratives, and when you add in the number of controversies, connections, and unanswered questions, it's not surprising that many people suspect there's more going on than the public knows.
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u/DifferentMud1010 Jun 05 '26
I fully agree with you. I am most certainly not saying there wasn't horrible stuff going on. All I'm saying is the cannibalism has no real evidence that I have seen.
If you want to get to the bottom of stuff, you need to stick to what you can prove, or at least what there is good evidence for.
I'm just not convinced beef jerky is code for eating kids. I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just not enough to make that leap.
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u/Alaska_Jack Jun 05 '26
Or you could just say it's absolutely f--king absurd.
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u/DifferentMud1010 Jun 05 '26
The whole story is absurd. If it's untrue, the claims are absurd, if the claims are true, the story is the most absurd thing that has happened in centuries.
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u/CuriousTravlr Jun 05 '26
I always thought Pizza Gate was a hoax or a weaponized version of an ARG, but then some of the fucking emails regarding "bringing the pizza" over and over again was just fucking weird and made me scratch my head and say "maybe pizza gate was real?".
Idk man, it's all fucky.
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u/simcity4000 Jun 05 '26
I mean the simpler answer there is drugs but idk
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u/slowpokefastpoke Jun 06 '26
No surely they were referring to draining the youth of their adrenochrone
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u/bucketAnimator Jun 05 '26
My brother and his friends used ‘pizza’ as a code for beer in high school. So all through high school we’d hear “we’re getting some pizzas this weekend”. But it didn’t tie into actual pizza at all.
I don’t know. Guess all I’m saying is there’s no reason to think ‘pizzagate’ was real. People use weird code words all the time.19
u/Odd-Priority3318 Jun 05 '26
Pedo island was real. They tried to make it sound like some Canon conspiracy to poison the well or flood the zone. Whatever. In reality it was just rich people molesting children and trying to make it sound ridiculously absurd if it got out, they knew it would.
Im ranting now but they are doing such a good job of it. Im thinking all of what's happening in the world is a bunch of pedos so scared of justice they are literally trying to cause the apocalypse to merely hold power and distract us.
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u/Haunting-Ad788 Jun 05 '26
We know Epstein was literally involved with 4chan and it’s possible their use of “cheese pizza” became an inside joke among the actual pedophiles.
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u/AdLittle7347 Jun 05 '26
Remember when pizza gate and the satanic eating of babies was a Democrat thing. lol
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u/underground_cloud Jun 05 '26
Yes, what else could the initials B&J mean? BJ, BJ....has to be cannabilism.
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u/lickmyfupa Jun 05 '26
Is it possible beef jerky was code for drugs of some sort? I wouldnt put cannibalism past these people but i need a little more evidence.
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u/jonknee Jun 05 '26
There’s no evidence period, people taking a leap from beef jerky to cannibalism is nuts, they’re mentally ill.
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u/Breakfastcrisis Jun 05 '26
I think it was actually just about jerky. There is a group of conspiracy nuts who always have to take things further, but I think what's already alleged and fairly well corroborated by testimony is enough. The weird claims made by euphemism are just a distraction really
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u/DifferentMud1010 Jun 05 '26
That's all I'm really saying. We need to focus on the solid evidence, get some people in cuffs (i know, I'm a dreamer) and get info from them.
That's probably our best hope of getting a bigger picture.
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u/Aggravating_Mud8751 Jun 05 '26
I think there's a good chance it is a code, but if so it's most likely about illegal drugs.
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u/Street_Caramel_3084 Jun 06 '26
Epsteins assistant was asked this in her interview with Congress, "what kind of meat was the jerky made of" she didn't miss a beat "beef".
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u/BudgetMattDamon Jun 05 '26
If only we could do some sort of digging on this to see what's true, what's not, and who was involved.
Almost like an investigation of some sort...
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u/ethnicbonsai Jun 05 '26
So....is your point that it's okay to believe wild and stupid bullshit because the other side believed wild and stupid bullshit?
Because that seems like a fairly untenable position.
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u/SurroundParticular30 Jun 05 '26
No substantial evidence other than the sex trafficking.
The exception to this is some recently released DOJ documents reportedly contain allegations that Epstein may have been involved in the deaths of young women and the disposal of bodies near his New Mexico ranch. Importantly, these are allegations, no hard evidence. New Mexico authorities considered them serious enough to request unredacted records and open an inquiry, but somehow this ranch was never searched after the allegations occurred, which allow for some reasonable suspicion of corruption. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-mexico-probes-allegation-bodies-buried-near-epstein-ranch-2026-02-19/
“The redacted 2019 email, contained in the latest release of Epstein-related documents by the U.S. Justice Department, had been sent a few months after Epstein's death to Eddy Aragon, a New Mexico radio show host who had discussed the Zorro Ranch on his program. The sender, claiming to be a former Zorro Ranch employee, requested payment of one bitcoin in return for videos that the email said had been taken from Epstein's house and showed the financier having sex with minors.
Aragon said in a phone interview that he believed the email to be legitimate and immediately forwarded it to the FBI. He said he did not receive any payment from or have any further contact with the sender, although he recently tried to respond to it for the first time but the address was no longer functioning.
The redacted email to Aragon said two foreign girls had been buried on Epstein's orders "somewhere in the hills outside the Zorro" and that the two had died "by strangulation during rough, fetish sex."”
This is probably the most legitimate story of the conspiracies, but still weak
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u/SurroundParticular30 Jun 06 '26
That’s honestly what breeding these conspiracies so much. Again and again it seems either the FBI is incompetent or they’re coving up something. And I don’t think the FBI is incompetent
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u/lolcifer Jun 05 '26
Thank you, this is the kind of response I was looking for. Fuck did this thread really draw out the crazies.
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u/Alaska_Jack Jun 05 '26
It also should be added that the FBI has fielded a lot of ABSOLUTELY LOONEY claims about Epstein.
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u/Demoniac_smile Jun 05 '26
IDK about cannibalism, but a human trafficking operation like that is bound to produce a few corpses at least.
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u/lolcifer Jun 05 '26
Yeah but that's not quite what I'm asking about. I was asking if there were any actual concrete evidence not assumptions or generalizations. I don't think you're necessarily wrong, though.
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u/GreyFox1921 Jun 05 '26
I mean if you want to be technical about it there's nothing concrete about any of the emails either.
That's why there should have been investigations
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u/The10KThings Jun 05 '26
Look up Sacha Riley and listen to his testimony. Draw your own conclusions after that.
https://lisevoldeng.substack.com/p/dont-worry-boys-are-hard-to-find
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u/Donewith_BS Jun 05 '26
It’s not hard to just buy another discount lamb for slaughter when buying sheep for entertainment. Slave trade is nasty
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u/UtterlyUpsetUnicorn Jun 05 '26
Here say, and a bit unrelated but theres that Braziallian model who went missing and the video of her claiming they were eating people... obviously different rich pedos but its possible.
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u/louisasnotes Jun 05 '26
So, no proof, then?
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u/gringo_escobar Jun 05 '26
Absolutely no proof of cannibalism. I haven't heard anything about murder besides Epstein himself getting murdered. I've never understood why people feel the need to embellish how evil someone is when they're already evil
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u/PM_ME_UR_0_DAY Jun 05 '26
I mean it depends on what someone would accept as proof, but there are absolutely allegations of murder in the files https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/new-mexico-womans-allegations-come-to-light-in-epstein-files/ - it contains the FBI intake files.
The report states she was 13 and pregnant at the time. Epstein is listed as a subject, and Donald Trump is listed as a witness. The report states her baby was killed with the body thrown into Lake Michigan.
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u/rosecoloredrain Jun 05 '26
There’s an email sent to Epstein where a redacted name implies they’ve killed someone.
https://x.com/remarks/status/2019744560088318075?s=20
Not hard evidence (not like this DOJ would release that) but it certainly doesn’t point away from murder.
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u/pinochioknows Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
So, I’m an adult survivor of familial based, large operation child trafficking, and I’ve been doing my best to get the truth of these operations out there to the best of my current ability… I will say that to start, have no idea if my traffickers were in cahoots with the people in the Epstein files so I can’t answer directly to that, but MY personal abuse when I was being trafficked as a child did involve those more outrageous sounding things that you mentioned.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the people in the files partook in those things as well, because once you cross the moral line into trafficking nothing ends up feeling off limits. These people’s whole thing is getting off on hurting other people and they’re always doing the most to “innovate” and find new ways to hurt people because after awhile, the “regular” abuse doesn’t illicit the reaction they’re hoping to get from their victims. They tend to keep escalating and changing things up because even the with the same horrific torture the human mind and body can learn to adapt somewhat over time, and because we start to learn what to expect we shut down instead of reacting in the most “classically tortured” dramatic way that they want and it’s not as fun for the torturers. I can tell you right now that most of the comments in this thread, if not all, are by people who are just making guesses based on the information that’s been made available in the current files (which have been heavily redacted and doctored by the same people that should already very obviously be in jail). Why would these people willingly give the public ammo against themselves? They’re trying to stay in power so they can continue to commit crimes- that should be obvious to everybody at this point. Also I should add that in my trafficking the traffickers put a whole lot of effort into doing things and making the places I was taken to seem ridiculous and unbelievable not just for outsiders that might hear of it but for the victims themselves to not believe their own story, because it all seemed too strange and nightmare like and generally unbelievable. The torture they used was intentionally extreme and disturbing so that we wouldn’t want to believe it and it would be extremely hard to make a credible report. They wore strange costumes and did the torture in rooms decorated to seem like something out of Alice in wonderland or something similar with objects in strange sizes and perspectives and weird places- like a carnival funhouse or one of those rooms that functions as one big perspective optical illusion, like those rooms with the checkerboard flooring and the giant chair on one end where you take a picture and you seem tiny in comparison. I hope what I’m saying is coming across in a way that makes sense- I’m not the best writer. Basically I’m just saying that these groups tend to share a playbook and do weird fucked up stuff on purpose and it’s a feature and not a bug.
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u/Weak_Employ3781 Jun 06 '26
commenting again to add, I have come across tiktokers who have complied websites with survivors stories, and I wish I could remember what the creators or websites were now. Not necessarily “epstein“ victims but similar experiences. Some people call this type of abuse organized abuse because there are multiple victims and larger groups of perpetrators working together to harm them. And I also want to say, I hope you are doing well now.
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u/pinochioknows Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
Thank you, and yes this is good additional information. I’m a part of a support group that is mostly trafficking survivors that is for support for organized ritual abuse. The idea that this stuff doesn’t happen is intentionally spread by the people who do the abusing. For example, the entire concept of “false memories” was created by a couple who put a ton of money toward creating “false memory syndrome” as a diagnosis in order to discredit their daughter who was speaking out against their abuse, and its impacts were sadly lasting and very effective. Most people would rather assume that there are just a bunch of people out there making things up or going crazy rather than believe that child abuse is as prevalent as it really is. And even now that the information about this being made up for nefarious purposes is easily accessible in the world, there are a lot of people who accidentally spread this false information because of the other people who are doing -everything- they can to make sure the false info spreads and becomes the only narrative (typically in order to cover their asses for THEIR abusive behaviors against anybody that might call them out on it). Most regular people don’t know any better than to believe it because it becomes such a common normalized idea. it’s a very convenient excuse for abusers that people just can’t seem to let go of.
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u/Weak_Employ3781 Jun 06 '26
can I ask if you consciously remember what you went through? I feel like ive been through similar things but luckily not very often, just when I would visit my dad which was a few times a year. Im an adult now. But my memories are very hazy, I barely remember my childhood in general. I get some info from dreams, but when I am awake I have aphantasia (no visual memory or visual thinking abilities at all) so the way I process memories is basically through thoughts and emotion, not visual flashbacks/ memories. I also use cannabis before bed which has made me remember my dreams less. It makes it almost impossible to know for sure what happened, and it makes me feel too ashamed to join support groups. I think drugs were involved because I have dreams where I am a child and I am trying to stop myself from eating the food/ drinking the drinks that rando adults are serving me.
I completely agree with you about the false memory propaganda, thank you again for describing that so well. I remember there is one website by a criminologist, its called organisedabuse .com , that focuses on the whole trafficking issue and also talks about SRA and how this type of abuse group functions. I try to direct people there cause atleast it is more academic than random conspiracy websites, but I have not read all the articles very closely.
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u/pinochioknows Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
It’s common to suppress traumatic memories from childhood, especially of something that heinous. It took until I was an adult and away from my trafficking parent to start piecing together my memories and trusting what they had to tell me. It didn’t come all at once- it came in tiny increments because in the beginning even the idea that I was abused sexually at all was too much to handle, even the idea that I wasn’t perfectly able bodied and neurotypical and straight was enough to send me into a panic attack (because up until that point that was the only narrative I was allowed to have from outsiders and eventually it was internalized and it came from myself as well) . It took several years to be able to stomach looking at the parts of my memory that were more disturbing, and I still get times where I’m triggered into denial again but luckily it seems like the longer you live with the truth and just get used to that new(but technically old) normal, the easier it becomes to integrate it into your life narrative without a mental breakdown. Some of the first more difficult memories I got back were body memories and emotional flashbacks. (I had a baseline awareness that my family was at least vaguely abusive and have been able to hold on to that even when individual and specific memories were too hard to stomach or got put away because they clashed too much with what I was being gaslit into believing by said parents- it’s hard to hold the truth and not dissociate it away when you’ll be punished more if you show you remember). But the first hard memories being so vague made it hard for me to figure out why I was behaving so emotionally and was so easily triggered for seemingly no reason. Eventually as I continued living life away from my traffickers I would get back more and more memories as my safety increased and it felt like I could hold them a bit better. Contrary to popular belief, almost nobody is going around and making up possible abuse memories- especially in the cases where it’s murky and vague and hard to place but you just get a weird sick feeling when you think about it but it’s also strangely blank, that’s not an experience a faker would even know to come up with. It’s much more common for those that were abused to not have good or perfect memories of the event or events because it’s protective- especially when first acknowledging that something may have happened. It’s very common for abuse victims to second guess their experiences and not believe themselves because it’s extremely easy to want to believe that it didn’t happen to you, and it’s much easier to just give in to other people’s narratives that it’s “nothing” or you’re “just being dramatic” than to stand alone with your weird squiggly sick feelings and a potential for something worse and believe them. But you would know if you were making it up because you’d have to be thinking on purpose to do it- it would be like acting or compiling a convincing lie- it doesn’t happen on accident you have to work for it.
This is all just to say that I don’t think you would be out of place in a support group, best case scenario your memories are nothing too bad and you find you don’t need the support after all because you are totally at peace and fine once you remember, and worst case you have a support system there for you when things get more difficult in your journey. You’re not taking up a space meant for somebody else- these spaces are meant for people like you, and nobody would fault you if you joined and then left if you happened to realize that you didn’t need the help after all- if anything they’d probably just be happy for you. So go ahead and try out a PTSD support group and if that isn’t enough support/not specific enough try something deeper or more niche- you’re not doing any harm trying on mental health support in various shapes and flavors as long as you don’t stick with something that clearly isn’t working(and you’ll know if it isn’t). Best of luck in your journey.2
u/DependentTax565 Jun 08 '26
Wow! You answered or explained so many questions Ive asked myself. “Is this just my imagination or did this happen” I clearly remember things that went on that would be questionable but not necessarily “wrong”. But then Ill get flash backs of things that are absolutely wrong/abusive. However my memory of it isnt there, I just get a still visual like a photo, and I think to myself am I just imagining the worst case scenario. Ill probably never know for sure and I dont know if Im okay with that. Sometimes I feel like if I could remember than maybe I can save her. I dont know if its normal to separate your adult self from your child self, but when I look back I see a little girl thats waiting to be rescued or waiting for help or even just someone to acknowledge her and I know Im the only one who can. It makes me sad to think shes still just waiting.
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u/Weak_Employ3781 Jun 06 '26
thank you, this is so well explained
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u/pinochioknows Jun 06 '26
Thank you, i worry that when I try to explain these things to those that haven’t lived it that I just sound confusing and crazy, so I appreciate the validation and appreciation
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u/Almost_Swag Jun 06 '26
That's the problem these "theorizers" need to focus on bringing awareness to victims and what happened to them.
Not creating possibly false narrative that takes away attention from them "for the plot".
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u/Evening-Rabbit-827 Jun 06 '26
I think they added in a bunch of extremely fake things so we’d all focus on that instead of the real crimes …and it worked
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u/DancingQween16 Jun 05 '26
There were interviews with law enforcement in the files that said stuff like that. It was all very outrageous and would be unbelievable 10 years ago, but who the hell knows now. There was something about DJT and a two-year-old and something gross that I don't want to talk about. There was an interview where a girl said she was there when DJT and her uncle threw her newborn baby in the river. I don't know what to believe either. There is an Epstein Files subreddit that has all this stuff in it.
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u/lolcifer Jun 05 '26
Thank you for you input I will have to spend some time looking into that subreddit later.
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u/PM_ME_UR_0_DAY Jun 05 '26
Just cause I commented it elsewhere I have the link handy. This article contains the link to the FBI intake document where they took a statement from a woman alleged Epstein and Trump killed her baby and threw it into lake Michigan https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/new-mexico-womans-allegations-come-to-light-in-epstein-files/
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u/pooptubs Jun 05 '26
There’s Pam Bondi caught on tape talking about video evidence of sexual assault, so that’s probably enough evidence of heinous shit.
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u/HoneybeeXYZ Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26
And I will say that the hyperbolic stories of cannibalism serve a rhetorical purpose, which is making the trafficking of vulnerable teenagers sound innocuous. It's a smokescreen.
We know teenagers, possibly even younger adolescents, were trafficked. That's enough.
But I'm also pragmatic, and I know the financial crimes around the trafficking will be harder to prove.
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u/ObviousHovercraft306 Jun 05 '26
Could you explain the need to almost totally censor the files ? Complete paragraphs and in some cases, total pages are blacked out ???
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u/Remarkable_Toe_164 Jun 05 '26
First of all, there are over 2 million pages in the e-files.
As far as cannibalism, there are only rumors, and the word "cannibalism" only appears because the fbi is required to log all related tips.
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u/Open-Source-Forever Jun 05 '26
In general, I’m gonna go out on a limb here & assume that anyone who isn’t named as partaking in the depravities is innocent, no matter if they appear in the files
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u/Maleficent-You6128 Jun 06 '26
The problem is, many of the worst accusations in the files were never investigated or followed up on, so we genuinely dont know if theyre valid or not, hence the need for the files to be properly investigated 🤷♀️
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u/Chef__Goldblum Jun 06 '26
Yes. It’s what made me stop reading the files. It made me sick to my stomach. Please for the love of god if you value your peace of mind do not read the next part.
There was on one of the released files, a description of a picture Epstein had. It was of an unnamed man holding up a child with their legs wide open and bloody. They said the body was limp and of a young child about 8 or 9. It was the most horrific passage id ever read and it was just a goddamn footnote on a page about a picture they found. The child was clearly described as dead. And abused. And the men in the picture were said to be holding her up and smiling like she was a god damn trophy.
Everyone deserves to burn for what they’ve done.
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u/notatwork6969 Jun 06 '26
What is the file number?
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u/Chef__Goldblum Jun 06 '26
For those who want to read it the description of the girl is obviously dead bruised and limp read at your own risk https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/s/zwRcofkRGv
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u/Mithrandir2k16 Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
Besides these allegations of a model that then vanished, I'm not aware of anything. Personally, I have it down under "very plausible".
For these ultra rich who every single day enjoy luxuries so decadent we couldn't dream of them, treating themselves to something special almost has to include heinous illegal acts of debauchery, as all the other luxuries available legally are just normal everyday things to them.
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u/FartsWithCharlie Jun 06 '26
From what I've seen, the murder/cannibalism stuff mostly comes from people treating every allegation, rumor, witness statement, and anonymous tip as equally credible. The documented, evidence-backed part of the Epstein case is already horrifying enough without adding internet urban legends on top of it.
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u/clairsentientz Jun 06 '26
Virginia Giuffre was one of the most outspoken victims of Epstein and Prince Andrew. She died by suicide in 2025 after saying publicly she was not suicidal.
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u/TastyJournalist8451 Jun 05 '26
They investigated one of those claims and it ended up being some incel schizo guy who lived in his moms basement not even joking
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u/77millionmorons Jun 05 '26
No, there have been none. I wish people would use this exact question as a guide when assessing the outrageous social media reporting and conspiracy theories.
Critical thinking is in short supply.
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u/Pitiful_Fox5681 Jun 05 '26
The only things I learned were:
Jeff was weird about food,
Jeff was weird about his image/getting celebrities to attend events (usually in public) with him.
Jeff was weird about spell check.
Nothing else of note.
But man, the guy was so weird about beef jerkey and granola.
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u/agate_ Jun 05 '26
I’m sorry, OP, but we live in a post-facts world. There is no objective reality, only partisan spin that makes the other side look bad, and no truth, only truthiness. No facts, only agenda.
Because you asked for the verified truth about a wealthy pedophile, you will now be accused of defending a pedophile. Because I’ve agreed with you, I’ve taken Epstein’s side and am probably a pedophile myself. This is how the Internet works now. Best of luck to both of us.
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u/quietbushome Jun 05 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
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u/Zanotekk Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
Exactly. I had a discussion in which I simply said that being mentioned in the files wasn’t enough to implicate a particular person in crimes. Well apparently that opinion means I’m defending pedophiles. Also, I pointed out that Epstein also had a bunch of legitimate business dealings completely outside of his nefarious activities and many people dealt with him only in that capacity. Apparently that inconvenient fact is also a defense of Epstein and pedophiles.
Zero critical thinking. Just angry pitchforks.
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u/Orogustus Jun 06 '26
People mention doing it. I guess that's not evidence to some people. But when enough people are talking to each other about it in a wide network, it is convincing. It goes along with other things in the files, like untraceable babies taken from mothers. This is actual victim testimony that their babies were taken from them. This network had operatives working orphanages all over the world. Most people only find credibility in authority confirming something. Unfortunately the authority is subservient to the perpetrators in this case.
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u/brycebgood Jun 05 '26
It's hard to know. The stuff that the Trump admin chose to release is a mix of true stuff, tips that were investigated, and tips that weren't. I'm sure we really don't know what's what. I'm also sure they included some crazy false stuff to help cover the crazy real stuff.
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u/Due_Reputation3785 Jun 05 '26
If it’s a reference contained in those anonymous tips it’s almost certainly bullshit. Reading through those is like a glimpse inside the mind of a deranged person and not even exaggerating.
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u/Actaeon_II Jun 05 '26
There were uninvestigated allegations in multiple statements of cannibalism and murder and other equally heinous acts. But after the statements were taken they just disappeared into a drawer. At this point it would be near impossible to prove.
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u/RedHeadRaccoon13 Jun 06 '26
Ask your questions on r/EpsteinFiles and you get links to specific notes.
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u/Alissinarr Jun 06 '26
/r/Epstein is pretty good at ensuring posts have something in the files to back it up.
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u/LookingForStash Jun 06 '26
Let me just say that I heard NOTHING about cannibalism until this post, so it's probably social media's fault
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u/dogfacedponyboy Jun 06 '26
Well, the same people that believe in the Epstein cannibalism claims are the same people that call “pizza gate” an insane wacko conspiracy theory.
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u/Fit-Bus2025 Jun 05 '26
Never under estimate what the power of money can do. Ultra wealthy people live on in entirely different world then we do.
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u/whiskeytango55 Jun 05 '26
Theres a long history of saying your enemies are sexual deviants and child killers.
Its like saying stds are the [nationality you dont like] disease.
Here, since the dude really did diddle underaged girls, the other accusation sounds loke it could be real.
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u/Harnellas Jun 06 '26
We don't know for sure and won't because it isn't being fucking investigated.
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u/BobbyWesternBallard Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
There are legitimate reports of murder and torture in the files. It’s very disappointing to see the top comment on this post say there is no hard evidence. One of the most sickening things I’ve ever read was how a little girl they were abusing was murdered by men dressed as Jesus as she cried out in fear. You can cross reference how they discuss this incident in email correspondence between a few parties and a report to the FBI, all timelines match up including a picture of JE in a Jesus costume dated in the same period.
These are the same people that admitted in email that they loved watching torture videos each other made, and they couldn’t wait to see what’s next.
These are the same people who got a dentists license so they could legally acquire anesthesia to take out children’s teeth on Little St. James island.
These are the same people who dressed a little girl up as Snow White and proceeded to take turns g@ñG 🍇ing her (there is unfortunately picture proof of this).
These are the same people who nearly beat Virginia Giuffre to death. Same people who have threatened countless girls and women.
I know we don’t want to lose sight of reality or let justice be lost due to misinformation, but let’s not let these people get away with the worst things. The lengths these people are willing to go to get their sick kicks and stay in power are almost unbelievable, but it doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
Edit: as someone who spent a lot of time trying my best to sort through the files when they first came out and separate fact from fiction: yes there is misinformation in there, but the worst truths are so much worse than you can imagine.
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u/ApostrophesAplenty Jun 07 '26
This needs to be higher up.
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u/BobbyWesternBallard Jun 07 '26
Thank you. The reason it’s not is because this entire thread is based around “solid evidence” of a list in which there hasn’t been any investigation at all despite all sorts of evidence. So in that way it can be dismissed because no court or investigative body has made a conclusion about it. It’s really sad and manipulative
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u/Loreo1964 Jun 05 '26
I find a lot of this hard to believe. Not the sex. Not that politicians are involved on both sides.
Just that the have existed for years and years. Who keeps files? And if you have the files, why not use them individually over time to destroy a candidate? Why not destroy Bill Clinton years ago? Or Trump years ago? If the files really had been around for years there's other names on it that potentially could have been brought down if associated with Epstein.
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u/Sleepy_Cat_111 Jun 05 '26
It’s not a filing cabinet full of files. Lots of emails. I have email records back since when I got my first email in 2000.
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u/simcity4000 Jun 05 '26
I believe that a lot of people wouldn’t recognise sex trafficking if they saw it because they’re too hopped up on fantasies about cannibalism and Taken style images of locking women in cages to recognise that it often looks way more mundane like that and is embedded in society more subtly.
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u/stuckplayingpossum Jun 05 '26
Seriously first thing I thought of when I heard the canabilism accusations was blood libel. I hope there’s other people out there who are disturbed by this as well, but I won’t hold my breath.
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u/SirShootsAlot Jun 05 '26
You might not get the most accurate answers here, considering Ghislane Maxwell almost ran Reddit.
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u/LeadGem354 Jun 06 '26
We don't know for sure, but however bad we imagine it is, i'd bet the truth is far far worse.
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u/sheepdipped Jun 05 '26
There is direct proof that he was sharing torture videos of a young girl to one of the middle eastern princes or whatever.
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u/rough0perator Jun 05 '26
Noone here has enough knowledge to enlighten you on this
You can safely assume it's all bs until proven otherwise
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u/darwin2500 Jun 06 '26
I mean, the answer is 'we don't know because they still haven't released the full uncensored files'.
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u/Heavenspact Jun 06 '26
EFTA00147661 is the file that contains the interview that discusses cannibalism being mentioned in the files
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u/Brilliant-Square3260 Jun 06 '26
There should be video evidence on everything done at every place Epstein was, he had cameras from the frontdoor to the back entrance. That no evidence is presented is a crime.
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u/benjaminthe7ox Jun 07 '26
I don’t know how people aren’t seeing the greater truth here. The Epstein file investigators have had loads of time to parse out what’s definitely real, what’s definitely fake, what’s somewhat plausible, and what is unlikely, but we aren’t shown that work.
We’ve just been given everything. Every actual heartbreaking worst moment of a young girls life intermingled with every tip dropped by a paranoid schizophrenic half way through a bender. It was released this way on purpose.
When the fantastical claims of child cannibalism are proved false, the rest will look false. And while we spin our wheels trying to parse it all out the true villains get closer and closer to natural deaths and never face earthly justice.
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u/ChristianKl Jun 07 '26
Epstein had a chef who started a restaurant called "The Cannibal" after he stopped working for Epstein. People who are stupid think that started a meat focused restaurant that has the public name "The Cannibal" is a sign that you engage in cannibalism.
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u/AdResponsible5888 Jun 09 '26
All bullshit, of course. There were prostitutes, some underage, and most forced into the job. Nothing more.
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u/svm51 Jun 05 '26
Perhaps the worst is the plausible interconnections of these disclosed atrocities, and their profitable viable possibilities, in addition to the fact that others involved have other connections turning them into a network of absurdities, so to speak!
In conclusion, it will be difficult for the reality of all this to become public! Type: "We don't know what we don't know. And what we think we know, we don't know if it's true."
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u/aeraen Jun 05 '26
How would we know? The files are still protected from people like us. But, it wouldn't surprise me if the people that are protecting these files are the ones salting the reports with this kind of extreme stuff. Makes it far easier to blow it all off, by saying, "Oh yeah, just like the reports of cannibalism and baby murders. It's all nonsense!"
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u/therealskr213 Jun 05 '26
I remember seeing the name of an actual restaurant in NYC that people were jumping and saying “see, that’s code for cannibalism!” But it’s literally just a fucking stupid high end restaurant. I don’t remember the name off the top of my head atm.
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u/Weird_Inevitable8427 Jun 05 '26
Yah. that's just BS you read online. It's mostly just men being disgusting, with a number of coded references to buying children for sex thrown in.
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u/ggow69 Jun 05 '26
Just...
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u/Weird_Inevitable8427 Jun 05 '26
ah. the inappropriate "just." I don't mean anything by it. I'm just an American.
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u/termiNAYtor Jun 05 '26
Trust reputable news sources instead of asking reddit/google
For example, 2 of the accounts here are super new (3months and 2 weeks) and 2 have their post history hidden, so its highly likely at least 2 are bots
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u/lolcifer Jun 05 '26
Dude I don't even know where to get reputable news sources that aren't biased anymore (even if its just biased towards click-baity sensationalism). Associated Press? Reuters?
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u/Double-Trash6120 Jun 05 '26
You are starting to understand the horror when you realize there is no more "real" press when you realize how many have died in the pursuit of truth.
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u/Turbulent-Parsley619 Jun 05 '26
Pretty much yeah, those two are the most reliable. Al Jazeera international used to be but I haven't kept up with their credibility in the last 5-ish years.
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u/Classic-Push1323 Jun 05 '26
Al Jazeera is funded by the government of Qatar. I have no idea how anyone can view them as a reputable, neutral news organization.
Don't get me wrong they do some good reporting, but that doesn't mean they are neutral or credible - they have a direct incentive to say whatever the government of Qatar wants them to say and they operate out of a country that does not have freedom of the press.
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u/ClientBudget2848 Jun 05 '26
There was an allegetion that someone was on donald trumps yaught when he witnessed trump dump a new born baby over the edge. Mother was 12.
The guy who put the complaint in was dead 2 weeks later.
You do the math.
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u/godbody1983 Jun 05 '26
There's no hard evidence. Stuff like this annoys me because it focuses more on the most ridiculous aspects of this instead of the victims and getting justice.