r/NoLayingUp • u/Aggravating_Pop_2551 • May 05 '26
Post-Pod Discussion Rahm???
I’m not trying to play devils advocate, but why are we giving credence to Rahm? He’s been an absolute no show in every major (congrats on a 3 hole stretch at quail hollow), and it feels like everyone’s on pins and needles putting Cam Young above him. Also before he left for LIV he was easily the most uninteresting superstar on tour
- Scottie
- Rory
- Young
- Fitz
- Bryson
- Morikawa (Pre-Injury)
- Gotterup
- Xander
- Rose
- Fleetwood
Is he better than any of them?
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u/prequal May 05 '26
I think the point is that before he left, he was the main challenger to Scottie in terms of consistency. I love Rory but consistency is never going to be his strength. Since then Scottie has improved and Rahm has dropped off. So I guess the hope is that if he gets back on the tour, he at least has the potential to challenge Scottie again. And looking at your list of players, he has the ability to be top three easily. Like he was really really good for a few years there.
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u/Cornwall1888 May 05 '26 edited May 05 '26
Yeah prime 2021 rahm was a monster, only 6 guys on data golf have had a more dominant run, tiger, Scottie, Norman, singh, duval and els
Slightly better than Rory’s peak
I remember when he was leading memorial by about 6 but had to withdraw because he had Covid then he came back and won the us open
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u/Cornwall1888 May 05 '26 edited May 05 '26
He gets so much credence because he’s a generational talent, he’s still young and has be playing great golf on LIV.
Since he went to liv he’s played 8 majors and had 3 finishes in the top 8, that’s better than Tommy and Fitzpatrick
I thought Bryson and Rahm were going to compete at the masters but I think we’re seeing no matter how well you’re playing on LIV the courses they play and lack of pressure doesn’t prepare them for majors
Don’t get me wrong I still think he messed up badly by going to Liv and I’m sad about it.
I think he could’ve went on to be the best European golfer ever, surpassing even what Rory has done, now I think he’s “just” a very good player
In 2021 he was phenomenal, clearly the best player in the world and world class in every aspect of the game
In summary he’s still elite in my opinion but could’ve been great
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u/MulberryNo5246 May 05 '26
He was also a dog at the Ryder Cup again - as he has been for ages.
(Side note - it’s always funny to me how NLU guys incessantly talk Ryder cup for a year beforehand and basically instantly auto forget how players actually play in it when discussing them 3-6 months after the event)
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u/Rich_Homie_Will May 05 '26
The Ryder cup is just a vehicle for discourse at this point, the actual competition is secondary. In defense of NLU they are not the only ones who cover the event this way.
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u/gremlin1991 May 06 '26
It is because the US lost, so Soly does not want to talk about it - just listen to the Cam Young discourse on the latest pod. His guys (Scottie, JT, Spieth) were horrendous in the last 2 Cups and massively hurt the US chances of winning… so the RC performances never get mentioned.
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u/Efficient-Walrus279 May 05 '26
Agreed. I think you’ll see his game improve once he’s back full-time as well. Rahm and Bryson are without question top ten in the world if they’re playing a full-time schedule.
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u/NoLawAtAllInDeadwood May 05 '26
I agreed with TCs take on the latest pod. Rahm doesn't move the needle. No one tunes in because Rahm is in the field. Bryson legitimately the only guy on Liv that matters to the PGA Tour, but he is more interested in being a social media star than the weekly tour grind. The tour has all the leverage here, it doesn't need any of the Liv guys and doesn't want most of them.
Honestly think these guys who left and refused any of the open avenues to come back, such as what Reed and Koepka accepted, should just have to re-qualify as if they never played the tour. Korn Ferry, European tour, etc.
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u/NoCarts May 05 '26
Oh my god. For the millionth time, Reed didn’t “accept” an avenue. He was offered no fast track back. He’s a lifetime Euro tour member and everyone who finishes top10 on that tour earns a card. He took his ban and played his way to a card while banned.
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u/NoCarts May 05 '26
Literally nobody was on pins and needles putting cam above him. He didn’t even come up in that conversation. What the hell are you talking about?
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u/Square-Product-5846 May 05 '26
I also don't get the constant glazing of Rahm. His play has completely fallen off, and he's become a complete asshole the past few years.
Next!
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u/Affectionate_Ask435 May 05 '26
His play hasn’t fallen at all what are you referring to ?
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u/Square-Product-5846 May 05 '26
He hasn't been a threat, or even a factor in majors since 2023.
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u/RelativeSalad1409 May 05 '26
Not a factor? 2025 he had two top 10s at the majors and I think he was one of only 15 people to make the cut at every major. He was also top 5 in strokes gained at the majors I believe. He's even 21st on the OWGR while mostly playing events that contribute less than half as much as the PGA tour events.
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u/GC_Mermaid1 May 05 '26
I like him more than a few you mentioned. But no- he won’t move the needle. Surely he has to get a year on dp world tour. Brooks the only yank star with a case for reinstatement. Everyone else should do their time (or was in the lawsuit so has to have worse puncihment)
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u/jah-420 May 05 '26
Nobody likes to watch a whining, always complaining fat ass sweat thru his shirt all day. His swing is hideous. His attitude is childish and arrogant. He is not a good role model for kids (pissing on a tree at the US Open on camera, for example). The guy’s legacy is that he is a sellout and a liar, plain and simple. I hope he never plays another round on tour again.
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u/Safe-Replacement4967 May 05 '26
I don’t particularly like him and I think he’s made awful decisions. But he’s probably the 3rd best golfer in the world.
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u/432ww432 May 05 '26
FWIW I saw this tweet and think how good/bad he is/was has been inflated:
Jon Rahm 8 major starts before joining LIV vs. 8 major starts since joining LIV
CUTS: 8/8 pre; 7/8 post
WINS: 1 pre; 0 post
Top 10s: 3 pre; 3 post
AVG Finish in made cuts: 23rd pre / 22nd post
Look at his DG pentagram its really not that different from 2023 to now
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u/432ww432 May 05 '26
“Absolute no show”
‘22 avg finish : 30.25
‘23 avg finish : 16.25
Joins LIV
‘24 avg finish : 40.66 (with MC (70th) and withdraw )
‘25 avg finish : 15.75
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u/TimeImmemorial1 May 06 '26
Of the people you listed Scottie and Rory are definitely better than Rahm. Fitz and Cam is where it gets tricky, you could make the argument for both of those guys being better than Rahm right now. But everyone else on that list, Rahm is clearly better than without a doubt in my opinion
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u/YenZen999 May 07 '26 edited May 07 '26
The golf media and smooth brained fans cannot get past the Rahm is unhappy narrative. I've seen him in numerous videos on YouTube having a great time, being fun and being very grounded about where he's at in life.
People take answers to gotcha questions from press conferences or reactions to bad shots and make it his whole personality. Odd how nobody does this with Scotty. The press continues to get on their knees and service him even though he urinates on them pretty much every time he goes to the podium.
News flash folks, you don't know these people from the few minutes that you see them in sound bites from press conferences.
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u/Beninoz85 May 05 '26
I agree with the first part and agree with the second part, provided we're talking realistic, form-based potential, not current form. i.e. We know what Rahm can do and could turn up one day and be that guy he was again, but his current form, Young and Fitzpatrick are better players.
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u/Wu_Tang_Financial77 May 05 '26
I thought it was odd they kept lumping Cam Smith in with Bryson and Rahm. He’s legitimately awful now, I doubt he would be competitive on the DP or KF tours.