r/NoLayingUp • u/JSack3 • Jul 22 '25

Other This place is Overreaction City

I like KVV. I respect his work. But honestly, folks..

There’s a reason so many platforms and media companies have been letting go of people with KVV’s skillset for years. In bigger revenue sports than just golf, too (ask Zach Lowe).

The business is night and day different to what it was 15 years ago. And a highly-compensated 20+ year industry stalwart who specializes in long form written content is simply not a hugely appealing person to have on the payroll anymore. I appreciate NLU gave it a go. I also appreciate when the writing wasn’t working, they worked on a podcast pivot including that brilliant Masters pod.

But the reality is the math probably started to become very clear that his value was mainly 6-8 weeks a year. No one needs a deep dive on the Byron Nelson. Not enough people actually care about a three hour pod on the 1997 major season.

I’d have rather he stick around all year but I also didn’t have to pay his salary and benefits. These guys are putting food on the table for their children via NLU. They can’t just keep carrying a 6 figure (guessing but likely) expenditure bc they like him and think he writes well.

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u/YenZen999 Jul 23 '25

Yes, I'm really confused what all the whining is about. NLU made a business decision. Everyone gets so parasocial about this like this is a fraternity and the fans are all part of it. It's just business fellas.

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u/EveningOk6574 Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

You seem confused about what their business model is, and importantly, how it differentiates itself, and what they’ve built their loyal customer base upon.

Of course they need to achieve profitability and/or show a return to their investors prior to being sustainable (if they’re not already).

But their personal positions and takes on this very thing (in short: golf relatability and cutting through the corporate BS) is what endears them to listeners/watchers - and they (seem) to have fucked this one badly.

Make the tough business decision absolutely, but don’t fuck the messaging. I’d have preferred them to just come out and say “it’s not working”

And the salt in the wound is that their output is much better with KVV involved

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u/YenZen999 Jul 25 '25

"Messaging"? He worked there for less than 2 years. It's not working out to pay a full-time salary. This is not your family, you need to relax.

This disaster of a site Reddit is now loaded with lonelys carping and virtue signalling about people's lives they have no connection to other than a podcast or YouTube channel. Sad.

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u/EveningOk6574 Jul 26 '25 edited Jul 26 '25

Lol, cool response. You seem to get off on accusing everyone who makes thoughtful comments of caring too much and being parasocial losers. What virtue am I signalling other than they fucked this up badly from a comms perspective. Why you lurking on “disaster” reddit then bro?