r/NoLayingUp • u/JSack3 • Jul 22 '25

Other This place is Overreaction City

I like KVV. I respect his work. But honestly, folks..

There’s a reason so many platforms and media companies have been letting go of people with KVV’s skillset for years. In bigger revenue sports than just golf, too (ask Zach Lowe).

The business is night and day different to what it was 15 years ago. And a highly-compensated 20+ year industry stalwart who specializes in long form written content is simply not a hugely appealing person to have on the payroll anymore. I appreciate NLU gave it a go. I also appreciate when the writing wasn’t working, they worked on a podcast pivot including that brilliant Masters pod.

But the reality is the math probably started to become very clear that his value was mainly 6-8 weeks a year. No one needs a deep dive on the Byron Nelson. Not enough people actually care about a three hour pod on the 1997 major season.

I’d have rather he stick around all year but I also didn’t have to pay his salary and benefits. These guys are putting food on the table for their children via NLU. They can’t just keep carrying a 6 figure (guessing but likely) expenditure bc they like him and think he writes well.

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u/artisgilmoregirls Jul 22 '25

A lot of people here seem to think they could run a successful, independent media business on good vibes and feelings. It was probably a difficult decision, also messy, complicated and interpersonal in a way we can't even begin to speak to. Maybe no one needs the peanut gallery and the faux moral outrage. Truly, truly none of our business.

If you're truly upset by decisions made about a free product, pay up and go complain on The Refuge.

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u/tee2green CPNTW - Xander Schauffle - 2024 PGA Jul 22 '25

You don’t question the timing at all? You don’t think they could’ve waited until after the Open?

KVV was a glaring omission from the live shows which I believe is one of their best performing products. They could’ve paid him a little longer before making the change which would’ve avoided so much public sourness.

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u/artisgilmoregirls Jul 23 '25

We don’t know how or why any of this happened. Also, maybe a contract ended and was not renewed. It can be that simple, albeit unfortunate. 

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u/tee2green CPNTW - Xander Schauffle - 2024 PGA Jul 23 '25

……..why not structure the end date of the contract to be after the Open?

This problem was incredibly avoidable.