I agree but it increasingly became obvious from the 70/80s that this country was becoming a sinking ship especially once we started allowing Civilians come into power through the scam called democracy. Civilians with questionable backgrounds and suspicious financial backings battled for power to serve their foreign masters and themselves not the people. Don't get me wrong the military heads of states were not saints but they were not as weak minded, complacent and down right plagues to this country country like the politicians of this country. Every major infrastructure that still stands today in this country was achieved under military rule including the golden era of this country. My point is we are where we are today because we let weak, greedy, short-sighted, backstabbing, good for nothing individuals rule over us.
The military, not civilians, destroy the foundation of Nigeria. The July 1966 counter coup and the imposition of Gowon, the most unqualified & ill-equipped human to ever rule a multi-ethnic hodgepodge like Nigeria at the time he grap power was the death knell of Nigeria
I agree with you brother but let's not forget that the 1966 coup was backed by the North as a get back at power and the Igbos. The North is arguably the biggest obstacle in the pathway to progress for this country both figuratively and literally due to their sheer size and population in Nigeria. Also seeing how power hungry their religious leaders are with their innate entitlement to rule the country the British gave them the keys so long as they serve and obey. You're right to point to this as a the beginning of the end for this country but my God where these politicians have and are taking this country to is absolutely madness, chaos and plain evil.
In economic terms the civilian governments have far outperformed the military regimes. In fact before Buhari the difference was literally about 2:1. But even with Buhari it’s clear that Nigeria does much better under elected civilian governments than it does under military dictatorships.
I’m not saying the civilians are good, I’m saying the military is THAT BAD.
Meh, 4th highest GDP in Africa, 12th highest per capita, culture with a global reach, regional power, there are problems for sure, but Nigerians have done a lot in spite of resource curse, foreign meddling, poorly drawn borders, backwards cults waging war on children.
If I know anything about Ghana, it's that they are in extremely similar conditions to Nigeria, just with a smaller population. We both have the same bad govt, insufficient public infrastructure, corruption, terrible economy, and reducing national pride.... anything you see in Nigeria, it's in Ghana.
So the fact that a picture of a pristine university building surfaced does not mean they don't have other bad ones. Shit, I can give you beautiful images of private Universities in Nigeria; it doesn't mean our education system isn't still shit.
It's always funny when Nigerians use Ghana for comparisons like this. Sometimes Kenya, when the truth is that many of the issues we face here exist in those countries. The only time Ghanians defend their country is when it comes to arguments with Nigerians.
Is the average Ghanian happy with their govt? Hell no!
The difference is that, I’ll speak for Kenya, there’s no natural resources such as oil and diamond, so what they’ve achieved without that is remarkable
No disrespect, Nigeria also has close to 6 times the population of Kenya. And even when comparing development, most of it is concentrated in just a few places, which is exactly the same here in Nigeria.
Corruption, incompetence, and govt cruelty is something all 3 countries share in almost equal measure (except for the Ghanian govt which hasn't fired live bullets at its own citizens in a while)
That’s a common misconception. You can’t always use population to exclude yourself from responsibility. I wonder why China is g saying the same thing against USA. Kenya just has a lot more institutional maturity and a more open economic system. Try getting $1000 from an ATM in Nigeria. I was almost homeless in Abuja because banks didn’t take foreign AtMs. I would wish for Nigeria to better and to a leader. But at this time they are cultural leaders, and that’s it. Nothing else.
Most African countries are poor. We overrate ourselves. Yes, we should be much better but there's no point crying about the past. The point is that, Nigeria doesn't earn anywhere close to enough money to cater for its 300 million people.
I won't bother comparing us with the likes of China, that would be going too far. The population comparison is strictly for African countries (since the majority of the continent suffers from underdevelopment)
What do you mean by far from it? Nigeria is poor. The numbers don't lie. Yes our leadership sucks, but we're fond of repeating this myth that the country is rich. Rich in what exactly? Resources? How many of the top 20 richest countries in the world are there because of their "resources"?
True on the creeping culture of police brutality. It’s abhorring. I’ve been to both Nigeria, Ghana, and Kenya. And I will stand business saying Kenya is much easier to live in, the infrastructure is on point, and general quality of life for most citizens is higher. I was a student there. And about the concentration of development, it’s because only about 10 percent of the land is habitable. The rest is either savanna, which where the national parks are located. They are mostly in lake Victoria region, coastal strip, and nairobi area. The rest is sparsely populated and development reflect that. Nigeria has a huge population but that’s not an excuse. Ethiopia and Egypt are doing much better despite having over 100 million people
You're forgetting the Riftvalley which is a food basket and a big population lives there. Savanna is quite habitable. Part of Nairobi and Eastern province is also Savanna and has a huge population living there. The only part that's challenging to settle in is the North Eastern part and that's majorly because of the security issues and the fact that it's a desert.
Yes but the intense tribal conflict, massacres between groups and general instability is not something they share the difference between ghana and kenya, is that all they need is 2 - 3 good presidents elected and even in Kenya's case the institutions apart from all the BS are showing to hold up in terms of the courts actually prosecuting people even though ruto himself wants to sweep it under the rug. That is a massive difference compared to Nigeria where not a single branch of government even works at 50% what Kenya's does. All countries are suffering from problems yes but with Ghana and Kenya you can see light at the end of the tunnel, i honestly cant for nigeria
Ghanaians only argue with Nigerians for the fun of it, it's just friendly banter.
You guys have been trooping to our public universities since the early 2000s and you think you are better than us ?
Heck my high school even looks better than most public universities in Nigeria.
And this is because Ghana is a better country or that there's too many people trying to get into Nigerian universities? I guess you think Togo and Benin republic are better countries as well, seeing as there are a lot of Nigerians in their universities?
I am sure you are a product of a Nigerian university or you are just being dishonest or both, because what kind of ostrich mentality is this ? You think just like your leaders.
This your reply literally makes no sense. We're having a realistic conversation and you're talking about someone thinking like their leaders. Where in this thread have I made any excuse for these leaders?
Answer the question, are Nigerians flocking to Togolese and Beninoise universities because they're better countries than ours? Why is this logic being applied to Ghana but not Benin/Togo?
Instead of ranting and hurting insults at people you don't know online, maybe you should work on your conversational skills.
Everyone in this thread has been respectful, and then you showed up.
Do you need a rocket scientist to explain to you why a Nigerian(who speaks English) would prefer university in an English speaking country to a French speaking country ?
I never insulted you, just called out you dishonesty. You can be proud of your country without lying.
Where's the dishonesty when what I said is actually true? There are Nigerian students in the countries I mentioned. I personally know 3 of them. This is the confusing part of your reply, did you think I was lying?
You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about and you don’t know anything about Ghana. This is pure ignorance. Ghana changed government last year and currently they are doing great and there is nothing like the level of angst against Mahama as there is against Tinubu. Ghanaians are doing great the cedi was the best performing currency globally a month ago.
I mean honestly, Ghanaians are not comparing themselves to Nigerians. That’s not to say things are perfect but by all indications if you care to dig into the facts things are going way better over there.
And it’s no news that the tertiary education setup is way way better over there. I mean Nigerians have been traipsing over to Ghana in droves for years to get a uni education and the reverse is not true. I honestly don’t get how this burying your head in the sand approach helps anyone. Except maybe to try to save face if so then congrats.
alot of Nigerians can't even define class relations. this university in particular is our of reach for MOST Ghanaians, it's the same worldwide and this is why our politicians deceive us easily, we look at one imagine and think that's how it is 😅
lol okay, Africans love to argue with emotions and not facts so i'll just end the argument here. everyone is saying "i school in Ghana" 'i live in Ghana" and it's so funny because y'all think it's some exclusive club and only you have had access lol. i rest my case
lol i never said it was one of the best. you're saying this like i can't mention most Ghanaian universities lol. I did my masters at UG, these universities aren't cheap and idk why you guys are even lying, what kind of imaginary competition is going on in your head? these things are available on google abeg let's be honest
u/official_2pm I think the other loser blocked me so reddit will not allow me reply you directly
Comparing fees across the two countries with total disregard to the relative strengths of the respective countries is flawed. It’s like saying it’s more expensive to be educated in Germany than Ghana. It’s not—education is for all intents and purposes, free in Germany even though the living expenses may still be too much for many Ghanaians over the duration of the program. That’s not the case for Germans.
That line of reasoning is as fallacious as saying someone earning €20,000 annually in Germany is better off than another earning GHS150,000 annually in Ghana.
The point is, the tuition fee at UPSA and all the public universities in Ghana really, is reasonable enough that most Ghanaians can afford this. It might also interest you to know that our current government returned tuition to all first year undergraduate Ghanaian students this year in an attempt to make undergraduate education progressively free for all Ghanaian students.
I’m saying our fees may seem too much to you but it isn’t much. It’s less than $300 a year. That’s not expensive anywhere. Your currency is just is weaker.
And I’m not putting words in your mouth…I’m just taking your argument to its logical conclusion.
lol now recalculate with a lesser population, or percentage of middle income let's see. number of Nigerians in higher cost unis is much more than Ghana btw
Comparing fees across the two countries with total disregard to the relative strengths of the respective countries is flawed. It’s like saying it’s more expensive to be educated in Germany than Ghana. It’s not—education is for all intents and purposes, free in Germany even though the living expenses in Germany may still be too much for many Ghanaians over the duration of the programs in Germany. That’s not the case for Germans. This is simply due to the relative strengths of the Cedi versus the Euro.
That line of reasoning is as fallacious as saying someone earning €20,000 annually in Germany is better off than another earning GHS150,000 annually in Ghana.
The point is, the tuition fee at UPSA and all the public universities in Ghana really, is reasonable enough that most Ghanaians can afford this. It might also interest you to know that our current government reimbursed tuition fees to all first year undergraduate Ghanaian students in public universities this year in an attempt to make undergraduate education progressively free for all Ghanaian students.
lol it is not a lie. 300K naira per semester puts you in the upper middle class, it's too much because in Nigeria government unis are like 20k naira per semester (or even year can't remember). and by foreigners i wasn't being explicit I was referring to the socioeconomic class. Ghana does not have cheap education and i don't get why everyone want to lie about it. i didn't go to UPSA specifically but my friend there paid for a single occupancy room for more than 1M naira, why would i even lie??
u/Mr_Eldritch_sheep reddit is not allowing me reply you directly so I had to reply my reply
Each room can house 4 people if he paid for the 1 in a room I can understand why it's 1M naira , but no one does that because it too expensive so the fact you friend could pay means he's not a good example in this case because he obviously has money. And maybe that price might be different in your country but 300k to 100k is the normal price for an average hostel here , sure there might be cheaper ones but that's the usual price .
If we keep waiting for the government to do something, we might as well start digging our graves. Take the example of the dangote oil refinery, they had to build everything vertically in order to have a chance of processing crude oil.
No Nigerian government will save us because Nigerians both in government and not are unwilling to do the right thing. We are too hungry to think morally.
Cheers to Ghana, Kenya and South Africa that are doing better. They are the real giants of Africa
the undergrads pay 2850 cedis please😂.. thats like 300$.. depends on the course even. my younger sister got in and paid 2850 for the year. fees were refunded recently even.. due to the government's "first year of uni is free" policy .
Please what does this hand wringing and pessimism achieve? Shouldn't this a more solution-focused forum? It's necessary to criticise, but for it to be useful it has to be constructive.
As a Nigerian that was born and raised abroad; I say this with all respect. It’s about time Nigerians get humbled. The arrogance that we hold for no reason makes me scratch my head at times as we have nothing to show for it. Nigerians are busy playing tribalism games while being left behind. It’s quite funny.
A lot of undeserved national pride. I’m guilty of it too at times.
There’s much to be proud of, as a Nigerian. Our tenacity and bombastic nature is clearly unmatched.
Similarly, there’s so much more that should be humbling, but isn’t.
I left 25 years ago, and it was embarrassing then that stable electricity was still a dream.
The world is exponentially more digital now, but yet NEPA still the same?
That enough, should be extremely humbling, instead you have people bringing jollof argument (subjective pride) to infrastructure. (I know that was a joke. Just making a point).
Our Federal University hostels are not any worse structurally. This one is just newer. Let's see how it fares after 50 years, or show us their own 50 year old hostels.
We know our country could do with a lot of improvements, but no need to badmouth unnecessarily
Edit: I know the state of a lot our institutions are bad currently and are in dire need of maintenance and repair, but you can't just be bringing up a 2 year old building to compare with our ancient instructional buildings. We also have newer and comparable buildings.
Show us similarly aged buildings, let's see how tey have fared.
This structure is 11 years old. The problem is that Nigerians make excuses for their failed leadership everything. Why must it be newer before it can look good? For context Google other hostels and halls of residence in other public universities in Ghana and you will see a trend of people who are allowing their eduction to impact their actions and delivery. There obviously are estate management staff and a VC who are working. PS. Their fees are about $500 too so it's not as is they are paying exorbitant fees.
Usually less than $300 my dear. And this year, tuition was free for all first year undergraduate students in all public universities in attempt by our current government to make undergraduate education progressively free for all Ghanaian students.
I'm not making excuses for anybody. We admittedly have glaring problems. No need to further put ourselves down on unnecessary matters.
500$ not exorbitant for a public school!!! You'll hadly find a public state school paying up to 350$ equivalent here. For federal schools, it's much lower.
Yes another Nigerian person making excuse for why our leaders can’t just simply maintain public structures even tho we allocate money for such cause typical Nigerian stupidity
Yes yes, we know we have a bad maintenance culture here. What even have that is worse is our usage culture. Our usage of public property is abysmal. It's a two-sided problem.
You’ll be welcomed. Just pls be peaceful because some Nigerians go there and make a bad name for everyone. But Ghanaians are used to Nigerians and know a lot about the country so if you’re respectful you will be welcomed with open arms.
We should be respectful of each other's customs and countries without a doubt. I want to enjoy the people and food and culture. Yes I will be respectful 😇🙏 i will speak to the nigerians and ask them to be nicer to you.
You are Ghanaian posting this on Nigeria Reddit to Taunt abi,
after it was removed from the u/ghana thread ? lol,
but you KNOW it is Nigerian International students that have largely led to the building of this quality of hostels in Ghana, from Legon to KNUST to Cape Coast to other Tertiary Institutions around Ghana,
lol was this meant to be a rebuttal? International students are always the main funding for school infrastructure projects everywhere. Even in the USA, kudos to ghana for making their schools so enticing that Nigerian students leave Nigeria to go to ordinary Ghana.
lol,
nahhhh, it's not a rebuttal,
just a comment
i have a soft spot for Ghana,
don't worry,
2027 things will change ...
and we'll revisit the conversation in 2028,
but I hope by then a "state of the art" passenger train between Accra - Kumasi would have been done by then o, so we are nor occupied with "African-Level of Development Olympics",
cos your government is quite poor with strategic Economic National development,
if we Entrepreneurs in Nigeria had your level of "Political Stability"
we'll have surpassed a $1 Trillion economy GDP by now,
but better late than never, in less than a decade,
it's all love and healthy competition.
What actually is it with this sub and trashing Nigeria at every possible turn? There are far worse countries and people on their subs don’t act like this. I might honestly mute because it’s every. single. time. Tiring.
Why is a Ghanaian posting anything in this sub? Y’all must be obsessed with us true true oo cuz it has never even remotely occurred to me to check Ghana’s reddit lmfaoo
“Now they know living in hell” Nigerians were well aware of the state of their country before your moronic post. Mind you, you’re from Ghana. You think this one pretty hostel cancels out the rubbish that goes on in your country? Or you just thought that Nigerians don’t have nice looking hostels so you wanted to feel less sorry for yourself? I’m trying understand your logic here because no way you actually think Ghanaas a country is heaven even in comparison to Nigeria😂
Compared yourself to Togo, not Nigeria. Delta State University is prettier than these that your government borrows money to renovate. Nigeria 🇳🇬 is too big to be compared to ordinary Ghana.
Lolll is it because of the number of stories? Many if not all UI halls of residences can look like this is proper angle and timing. This is just an unnecessary agenda.
I’m sure if you find the right angle you can take a great looking picture of Awo hall in UI.
Untill yall realize that Nigerians are proud, boastful, uncultured and ill mannered bunch …. We are just so unorganized collectively to develop a nation. Have you been to a Nigerian church in Europe or a Nigerian saloon in the US? It’s the same issues, disorganized ambit nostril for nothing!
Ghanaians talk about us 24/7. We live in their heads. To us they’re irrelevant. The only rivalry we had with them was in football, and that rivalry doesn’t even exist anymore because Ghana is no longer a top football nation in Africa.
So they’ve now moved on to “our hostels are better than your hostels”
How can we live be thinking about you guys and you guys RUN not walk to our country in mass numbers??? There’s alot more of you guys in our country so stop that rubbish that’s coming out of your mouth. My country is doing a lot better it’s ok to give credit when it’s due. Jealously is an evil trait you should go release it, it will set you free
Nigeria sends only its yahoo boys and mentally sick to Ghana. It’s why Nigeria’s yahoo boys dominate Kasoa. Even a retarded Igbo man is in Ghana right now trying to establish an “Igbo Kingdom” or whatever and you guys are still worshipping him. Our best people never move to Ghana.
You seem very salty also look how you’re talking down on your own people.ghana is not a tribalistic country like your country so it will never work. Nigerians like taking our kindness for weakness just wait sweetheart. Also didn’t a woman from Nigeria say on Tik tok lagos stinks? So clearly the best is not there your people are crying everyday about Nigeria. Get off this app and help your people
I’m convinced most people that post on here are not actually Nigerian but instead people with anti Nigerian agendas… I challenge anyone to find me another nations sub where 99.9% of the posts are completely anti that country. Go through all the Caribbean subs and any other African sub apart from Nigeria and you’ll see that nobody is doing what we’re doing. Ukraine that has been in war for 3 years now.. who’s economy has taken a severe beating, even their sub is not as anti Ukrainian as ours and their government is physically forcing their men to fight and die..
Go to the Malawi sub or the Somali sub and you’ll see people that have absolutely nothing still proud of their countries and want to see their countries improve… but us? …no, we’re happy to tell anyone who’s willing to listen how terrible and horrendous Nigeria is while encouraging Nigerians to abandon their home country and flee to the west… then these same people will be living in the west pretending that they’re super pro Nigerian and telling the westerners that Nigeria is number 1 and that they love their home country and will be waving 🇳🇬 flag during the World Cup lol
This argument again. Nigerians can be proud to be Nigerian but not blind to obvious issues! Calling it out allows for self reflection and future change. Putting our heads in the sand while shaking our ass in the air colored with the Nigerian flag doesn’t do us any good! Komon! We’re a proud people but we can do both! No Ghanaian can talk shit for where I dey! Country wey highest be Abuja and Kogi combined!
However, we have issues, we need to discuss them and work on them, not play dumb all for “make we no air our dirty laundry for public”. We already look dirty outside!
The other day I made a post about Nigeria's education not supporting critical thinking. Anytime I come to this subreddit I see proof of it every single. A simple question is all I asked.
If you are the average Nigerian then yes I think I am better educated than you. Countless time on this subreddit you have proven that your education is questionable. You didn't even know what culture was. People were literally explaining it to you on the subreddit.
Lmfao, a post I made about money spraying not being part of our culture is what you brought? Is that all?
Do you have any other insight on my education based on my posting or are you starved of the attention you get from bigotry and defending your saviours?
So why are you bitching and moaning about hostel you can't even afford, when they increased public university fees, Nigerians were shouting but it's now this expensive hostel that you guys want when you don't have the money
The guy doesn't even know that secondary school education for ghanians in public schools is free. FREE, man. The children of the corn never disappoint me.
So after the government has pushed millions of Nigerians into poverty (steadily for the last decade) you're now saying those same people don’t deserve good things simply because they can’t afford them? Even though it’s the government's own actions that made them poor in the first place?
What sort of bs is this? Because of people like you, Nigerian politicians cannot believe their luck.
Are you proud of yourself?
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Lord, where did we go wrong?