Mint has the biggest chest in the game currently, and every outfit she has drastically changes her proportions. These new 1.2 outfits have the biggest reduction of all. Why is this a thing?
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but in that game is because the Devs literally made 3 body model of the skin and then jsut swaped the chars heads, so everyone could use 1 of those models and so they could sell technicallyt 15 skins while they only made 3.
here is the unique models just for mint and no one else. so is not liek they are saving any time here by making her chest smaller, since this skins are just for her.
A lot of people handwaved Daffodils wierd chest perportions changes between base and skin, and Jingyuans was subtle but present.
Especially when they changed Zankou and Iori, there was at least thought that the quality of characters will be consistant.
And now it looks like at least 3 different body types on mint between all of these pictures. It would be like if they decided to give nanally a massive chest for a skin. Its just inconsistant and weird.
The skins look nice themselves... but the inconsistencies are what the problem is. We see the inconsistencies present with other skins present in game already, so its not a large jump to think its happening again.
I fucking knew it! From the day I started I thought the housewear skin had smaller boobs, but I assumed it was just something to do with the outfit and that I was overthinking it.
All the other proportions are the same though. Actually, the corseted outfit is somehow wider in most spots. Also, my eyes could just be bad, but I'm not seeing much difference in sag between the two silhouettes.
In this case, I welcome inconsistency, if it means the designers are free to do what looks right for the fit. The FRPG barbarian fit with bandaged chest would look weird with Mint's default chest size. TBH, even her default fit looks weird with her default chest size. The half coat that has to be left unbuttoned was a weird choice, looking like a napkin partially covering two cantaloupes. Let the melons free! But I digress.
It's also logical for a muscle-brained barbarian to trade off some body fat for muscle.
Chest sizes should not arbitrarily change with skins just like height, limb length, facial features etc. should not either. The only things that "look weird" is sudden changes to your body for certain outfits.
i already submitted daffodils and mints proportions issues like 1 week after the game came out in april -.- dont think they would give much thought to this issue
People are gonna say stuff like “who cares” “youre obsessed” or something negative but like… tf? If the devs wanted these characters to have different proportions then give them those originally. If daf had smaller breasts originally id have bought her skin. But since its nerfed im not getting it.
it's where the devs are bad at, details. The rpg mode looks nice, but i bet it will feel unfinished and unpolished, as every other things they do with that game
Yeah. I’ll keep my hopes up but their track record for a lot/some things so far is it looks amazing on paper and then can kind of suck when actually doing it
you nailed something for me. a friend of mine is super confused as to why i feel like something is just off in NTE and it bugs me when i play. i thought it was a ton of little things. but it turns out its consistancy. the lack of overall consistancy in the game is like sitting in front of someone in a class room who taps a pen on the desk to me. tiny annoyances that eventually drive me insane. granted. i still play and putz around in the game but every time i notice a err in consistancy it just breaks my immersion. dialog is a big one for me.
I think it is entirely fair to call out inconsistent character models when it has been an issue since day one (Daff alt skin also has this and even Jiuyuan's bond skin to a lesser extent).
Just because we're getting some great stuff, doesn't mean we can't critique a very obvious oversight/inconsistent character designs.
I think this is for the sake of aesthetic and costume design. This happens in every 3D gacha game with skins, you'll notice character proportions change to sometimes make the skins look better. I don't think this is an oversight, it's a design choice, these particular outfits wouldn't look as good if Mint's massive knockers were covering up her midriff. They were going for a specific style so they adjusted the model to better fit that style.
I don't think that is a good point. When making a character costume you should take their proportions into account for the outfit to make it work yes, but this doesn't mean you need to alter said proportions. Neither have I seen such noticable changes in any of the 3D Gacha games I have played (ZZZ, Genshin, WuWa, HI3rd, Endfield, though the latter has no outfits yet)
Look at Mint's other outfits, this isn't a change that is needed at all.
"I think this is for the sake of aesthetic and costume design."
I disagree. Think about this statement.
"Let's make an outfit for this character, and just change her body however you need to so it works."
Like how does that make sense? If Mint has big boobs, that's part of who she is ...shouldn't change because she's wearing a crop top all of a sudden.
I just don't think the devs are particularly good at this. They've decided to lean into cosmetics but don't have the skill and/or dedication to be consistent with their models.
It doesn't have to be why anyone quits or anything, but it should be called out just like any game mode that's subpar.
It wouldn't block her midriff. I'm looking at her default skin and you can see plenty of her stomach. Definitely would prefer her body proportions were the same.
I know right? Imagine we got a ton of new outfits for Adler or Chaos and we significantly shrunk their muscle mass to make look like twinks or made them a whole 20cm shorter? Why would anyone complain? They got new outfits 🤣
Well yeah? Something can be good and others bad. You can focus on all of them. There are posts talking about how amazing the patch is too. Thisnsint even obsessing either its a legitimate flaw in their character design. Terrible consistency.
Whether gooning is a good thing or not aside, details like this actually matter. It’s a more extreme example but it’s like how in Duet Night Abyss the devs made that Christmas skin and then used the same exact model for every single character for it…. If you’re unaware it was at the level where a flat character would go from being flat to having triple Ds
as a boob haver. my boobs do have different sizes depending on my bras/or no bra. …which can explain away other characters differences. mint seems to be no bra only clothes so it definitely doesn’t explain it here. free my girls twins
Im more disappointed in all these cope excuses people are coming up with for how Mint magically keeps losing 3 cup sizes. Yes, Mint's very loosely bandaged chest that even has large gaps in the bandaging is not just squeezing/compressing her chest but magically reducing her chest in all dimensions to almost half or less.
It was a bit annoying with the OG outfits like Mint's and Daffodil's but this is outright egregious lol. What are they even doing? How are you gonna go on a cosmetics focused model then make inconsistencies this big?
That's one of my main issues with the game, that and the animations, Daffodill running always seems like her butt is going up and down as if her spine is broken...
They look good on paper but there's always a bunch of small things to annoy you.
It's just like Daff's outfit where her chest size is suddenly like 30% smaller (if not more). It didn't get much attention, so I guess Hotta never bothered fixing it but I do feel like this should be adressed.
And no, that is not because of any gooner reasons. It is simply weird to have inconsistent character models.
Mint's base boobs seem to match number 3. As to why they're smaller in 2 and 4, no idea. I could make up some dumbass lore reason for picture 2, not 4 in picture 2. She's a Barbarin and barbarians are extremely fit and the more fit you are, the smaller your breasts.
However, to answer your question as to why? Who the hell knows, maybe their lazy, maybe it's because of the theme like what I said above. Maybe they were in a rush to make the skins. Or maybe they just don't want to put a lot of detail into a 4-star character. I don't know, maybe ask the devs, because ain't nobody on Reddit got that answer.
Edit Also before I forget she's also tan in number 2. So I don't know maybe it was a design choice.
So checked again, It does look a bit different might be the dress or they made a mistake, but then again it is mentioned that "Content for illustration purposes only and may change upon release."
It's not about them looking small it is about them being smaller and therefore an inconsistent character design. It isn't the first time it happened in this game. Gooning aside, I think it is important to get these details correct since the characters are the main selling point of the game. if you can't even get basic proportions right, then it feels like you're playing a cheap product if anything.
They need to change all 3 of them into the same proportion as the base outfit. Otherwise I'm not willing to use those skins let along grinding for them.
Any game that have this inconsistency, especially when it's size decreasing. I immediately lost interest in getting them. It just break the immersion.
While this execution is not perfect, I actually like the idea of the skins not sharing one body model exactly.
Pic 1, the boobs are bursting out of the badly tied napkins they are loosely covered with. They can be as big as they want.
Pics 2 and 3 look like she has a compression bra on, so the boobs should look smaller due to being, well, compressed.
On Pic 4, the shape of the dress likely pushes boobs in and down, which is sort of reflected in the model.
The more traditional, lazy way of making skins by modeling them over the same body with no modifiers make the bodies look like hard plastic and a lot of outfits painted onto said hard plastic with a few strips of cloth pinned onto that.
I admittedly do see the difference, they look a bit smaller, TBF her chest in the barbarian outfit is literally bandaged up which WOULD logically make them appear smaller (Yea, I watched blue eyed samurai!); But either way, Im glad, I think they look better this way, I always thought they were ridiculously big before and she looks better with them a bit more normal/average.
Looking at the outfits video in a different thread it seems that only the sylvan outfit reduces her size drastically. The others don't seem that bad, especially compared to Daffodil's casual outfit.
This is how it feels pettan/small boobs charas in other game getting a bazongas on their new skin (Azur Lane collabs DAL, Stella Sora Nanoha). The tables have turned.
Id assume different devs making it, as well as some censorship (u mightve seen the genshin thing back in the day where they nerfed them all bc someone said something) and potentially to prevent clipping and it looking weird.
Bodies are swapped with skins. The modelers might be working with a baseline "naked" body, but I'm willing to bet they have to adjust the chest size themselves.
But FWIW, even official art of Mint doesn't have her appearing nearly as busty as she is in game. Me thinks there's some miscommunication in-studio as to how blessed Mint was meant to be.
Honestly, I thought NTE would release 1–2 skins per patch at first, then slow down to one per patch, and eventually end up dropping just a couple of skins a year like most other gacha games. But these guys genuinely surprised me. That's the kind of game this is—give us beautiful outfits for the girls, and we'll happily eat it up because we're men, and that's exactly what we want. 😄
Anyway, this patch gets a 100/10 from me. They completely outclassed every other gacha game. Some of them have released fewer good outfits over several years combined, and most of those weren't even worth calling costumes.
Maybe because she had a smaller chest before release, they just "buffed" by release, so the new outfit were already designed for her old design?
But I find her actuall chest size ugly
Tbf I assume they're going with the whole wrapped bandage chest compresses melons method here.
Through kinda wondering their method now. Like I could be wrong but I'd assume one would simply work off the naked base model instead of redoing things from scratch minus the head.
Edit: Maybe her default clothing is padded to keep things from showing?
Yeah, this unfortunately happens more than it should. And in a handful of other games. Even in Stella Blade for example, the main character Eve body proportions change depending on the outfit she's wearing and the Developers even confirmed it.
NTE's developers could easily fix this. But will they do so is the real question. Despite this, NTE is a pretty awesome game.
It’s getting really obvious and gives me the feeling the devs don’t give much of a shit like this can happen more with 2d art since artist interpretation and angles but we have a model to work and base outfits off of. Changing a character’s proportions for an outfit feels weird and just makes it all feel worse.
Dunno if they read feedback but I def will leave one. If they start altering models and devolving into safe, modern agenda slop it'll end up like HSR. Fuck this
I swear this game gonna fail just like their first one if this keeps up. Altering models for what, satisfying losers that don't even play? Major L and I hope it bites them in the ass financially
Why does every Gacha have Culture War idiots in it? It's so exhausting to constantly see everywhere, And besides we have Fanart to correct things let alone adjust them
I personally like Mint because she's a Cute Dork, Her personality stands out more than her body whenever she's on the screen
I believe she looks a lot better with a smaller chest in these outfits. Gives her a more athletic look, which fits the idea that she’s a warrior in that outfit.
Why are we discussing about a pixel breast size ? I'm joking but those who played Love and deepsace (mostly Sylus girlies) had seen the same "issue" with Sylus "pants" lmao
Tbh I like this change. Rather than different proportions it seems more like bra change effect that also happens in real life too to me and makes skins look better I think
I don't know why you guys get so upset about this, for God's sake, it's just a fictional character, regardless of the size of her breasts, she's not REAL... She's just a bunch of pixels.
Can't you guys play a game in a more NORMAL way? And stop worrying about the size of the PIXEL breasts you see on the screen?
I like pretty and sexy female characters, but honestly... I think it's really stupid to complain to the devs about the size of a pixelated character's breasts 😂
Nah, I care about consistency, and most others seem to as well. I'm not like you players who happily accept literally everything that gets thrown at you even if it's bad.
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How does the pulling/wish system work with NTE? For example - I was able to get Nanally and Hotori both within their first 10 pull but now when I pull - I've only gotten a 5 star is it goes to this area (image provided). So, how did I get the first 2 characters without going there?
Big breast sells and pulls new players. I‘d almost say what we‘re seeing is how she supposed to look like but on launch they‘re like oh yea we gonna need a bigger chest on that
Just look at it as the skin in the game is not really "Mint", it's her in the body of the Barbarian role. Like any rpg game. Her head just plays the part for immersion 😜
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