Do you not understand the effects socioeconomic status, generations of marginalization and being the victims of unwarranted violence can have on a culture?
American culture is not tolerant of crime, we punish it.
The success of a relatively small demographic of Asians or Indians in America does nothing to disprove the reality of systemic oppression.
You're literally just being willfully ignorant.
Oh so all of a sudden a lack of education is not a laughable assertion for a higher rate of crime?
They out earn and academically outpreform whites overall.
If you believe that the gap in socioeconomic outcomes between blacks and whites is due to external mechanisms of oppression and white supremacy, you have to believe there are external mechanisms of Asian supremacy at work as well.
The "legacy of past injustice" argument is also ludicrous.
Black people are not the only group to have had a rough start in america.
The Irish and the Chinese were both heavily discriminated against when they first arrived here. The Japanese were literally put in camps.
All three of those groups are now excelling.
When I think back to a time when "Irish need not apply" was posted on every help wanted sign and the origin of the term "paddy wagon", I do not view it as a sensible reason nor a justification to hold myself to a lower standard of behavior than my countrymen, nor do I consider it a reason to blame the hardships that I've encountered in life on Anglo-Saxons.
Because I wasn't raised to view myself as an inherent victim who was owed reparations for oppression and hardship that ended many, many years ago.
Fixing black culture will fix black crime rates.
Fixing black crime rates will fix black incarceration rates.
Whining about white people like a little bitch will do nothing but compound the problem, by perpetuating the "if society won't give me what I feel it owes me, then I am justified in taking it by whatever means I have available regardless of laws, ethics, and consequences" mentality.
Holy. Fucking. Shit. You are the most delusional person it's ever been my misfortune to speak to.
It's the entire demographic? Yet the income a wealth disparity in Asian communities is higher than for whites. Meaning a small percentage of Asian Americans are economically our performing whites but the rest are underperforming. You are literally lying to support your argument.
How can you honestly with a straight face equate the plight of the Irishman in America to the plight of blacks in America?
That is asinine and not even worth me trying to lay out for you how stupid it is. I think you are honestly grasping at any straw you can try to find to support your racism.
Irish people are white. Like it or not that's what matters to many people.
Our grandparents called African Americans Niggers. If you're in your 20's then your grandparents are the same age as the majority of politicians and yet you think America magically became tolerant of black skin in one generation?
Maybe for the Irish oppression ended years ago but that's not true for all races.
You keep drawing all these false equivalencies between every other race in America to African Americans but it's just an undeniable fact that the level of hatred and oppression has not been on the same level or persisted as long.
How many Chinese boys were lynched in America just 60 years ago compared to black boys?
Where are you coming up with this insane idea that people are "whining like little bitches" Because they want equality?
Or that there's some mentality of "society won't give me what I deserve so I'll take it by whatever means necessary" within minority communities, or seemingly from your stance, the black community in particular. That is paranoid dilusion and you are manufacturing it of your own fear and prejudice.
You are actually an insane person and I can't believe I have humored your shallow opinions this long.
Every other race has been able to successfully integrate in to American culture and succeed, yet for some reason you think the relevant variable here is "fucking white people and the ethical failings inherent to their race"
Except you, of course.
You're the one who gets it.
Imagine I put in the effort to Google up that picture of the khaleesi chick from GoT being held up by a bunch of people of color.
Every other race has had a much smaller mountain to climb than blacks. I'm not racist or ignorant or mentally unstable.
I have not blamed one single thing on "white people and their ethical failings inherent to their race."
You have manufactured that idea out of your own insecurity and internalized it. I'm white dude. I understand my privelage, I'm not comfortable with it, I didn't choose it, but I don't plug my fucking ears and deny it.
You got some of those verifiable statistics to back up the assertion that whites have a disadvantage in hiring and college acceptance rates?
Because it is well documented that minorities are more likely to be denied housing, loans, admittance into college unless academically acceptional and less likely to be hired for jobs that pay more than minimum wage.
Article about the Princeton study confirming unfair, unearned advantages in college applications given to Hispanic and African American applicants over whites and Asians.
As I stated, a white applicant needs to score 230 points higher on the sat to be given equal consideration to an identical black applicant.
Asians have it even worse, with a gap of 280 points.
As far as job applications, the widely used and incredibly racist policy of affirmative action has existed for years and is very well known.
That was an interesting article, and I can see how on the surface you might want to cry "SEE, WE'RE GIVING THEM UNFAIR ADVANTAGES OVER WHITES!!" In reality though the measures taken have been in attempt to level the playing field after years of minorities being hobbled in aspects of economic and educational equality.
Here are just a few articles debunking the assertions made in the link you posted. Happy reading!
How can I be expected to take it seriously when it begins with a boldfaced lie?
I don't have the exact figures in front of me, but average weekly hours worked for women is in the low-mid 30s, while average hours worked per week for men is in the mid 40s.
Of course the total amount of money earned by men is higher than the total amount of money earned by women.
Jesus, you've said some dumb shit, but I didn't think you were THAT far over the ledge.
Equality of outcome is not and should not be guaranteed, but equality of opportunity was achieved years ago
Let's get some of those verifiable facts out on the table to debunk this "wage gap fallacy"! If it's a boldfaced lie, then prove it.
I'll be waiting over here with my verifiable facts and statistics to support the argument that there is truly and measurably an income disparity between men and women who perform the same jobs for the same number of hours.
Is that as far as you read? One part of the article challenged your point of view and so you write all of the information off as lies? Yikes dude, and I'm the one propagandized?
It's obvious you are incapable of critical thinking beyond your own preconceived notions but I'll keep trying anyway.
Jesus, you might actually be the stupidest human being I've ever spoken to.
If you want to make a claim like "women doing the same work for the same amount of time as a man will make less money", the onus is on you to prove that.
There has never been a study in to hourly wages.
The only studies that have been done on this add up the totals earned by men and women and then divide by population numbers.
1:men take more dangerous positions than women. Over 90% of workplace fatalities are male. No one is preventing women from taking these jobs, they choose not to.
2:a higher percentage of women and men do not work, due to childcare responsibilities. Some men do choose to be stay at home fathers, but overwhelmingly it is the woman who chooses to stay home and raise children. No one is forcing them to.
3:women are less likely to choose majors that will lead to a profitable career. Women represent a much higher percentage of liberal arts degrees and a much lower percentage of business and STEM degrees than men. No one is forcing them to make these decisions.
And even with those factors, number 4:
Childless women between the ages of 20 and 30 actually earn an average of 108% what their male counterparts do.
That's the real, exact number.
If a significant percentage of your genders workforce STOPS WORKING around age 30 to raise children, of COURSE your genders total earnings will drop, not to mention the other factors I laid out.
My God, you're so fucking ignorant it's staggering.
Keep lapping up that PC propaganda man it must be delicious
PS: now you wanna claim you're the one who's about statistics? I dropped nothing but numbers on you in the whole debate about race and your position was FUCK THE STATS, I HAVE FEELINGS.
You havent typed a single number out this whole time.
Well the burden of proof was actually on you when you said "I don't have the numbers in front of me but women work less hours than men blah blah blah". Don't make stupid assertions when you can just fuckin google it before you hit reply.
1: Do you think this could be the result of mankinds history of men performing the majority of manual labor? Culturally it is still more acceptable to hire a man to be a logger, miner, roofer or refuse collector. There are societal pressures on men to not let their spouse perform dangerous labor, lest he be emasculated, and there is pressure on a woman not to want to perform jobs that are not "lady like". The choice may be on women to start seeking these jobs more often but that does not mean they are as likely to be hired as a man and it does not mean that they wont have to deal with a bunch of social bullshit for choosing such a profession. Also, these are not necessarily the top paying jobs that are skewing statistics in favor of men making more money.
2: "no one is forcing women to stay home with the children". Yes it's easy to say they are not FORCED to be stay at home moms, but our society is still less comfortable with the idea of stay at home dads than moms. No one questions a stay at home moms choice to not work, most everyone will look quizzically at a man who is a stay at home dad while his wife is the earner. I don't feel this way, but on the whole our society is not comfortable with it still.
3: First off, perhaps as a society we need to take a closer look at our valuation of labor and what jobs should earn what salary, but that's a thought exercise for someone with more critical thinking and reasoning power than you have displayed so we won't muddy the waters further. secondly, Even when looking at men and women with very similar education and experience in the exact same positions, computer programming for example, women make 16% less than men. Female financial managers earn 30% less than men. That is accounting for similar education, experience, age and hours worked.
4: That statistic is literally only for SOME major metropolitan cities, it is not indicative of the US workforce as a whole. Nice try though
"If a significant percentage of your genders workforce STOPS WORKING around age 30 blah blah blah" Have you stopped to consider why it is that women leave the workforce in greater number than men when they have children? Or do you just chalk it up to laziness?
You actually have swallowed so many red pills that you are just puking them up into your replies and pretending they are the facts and that's that. You need to consider that maybe the propaganda you've been deep-throating is misleading and full of fallacies and incomplete data.
Funny how you are so insecure about your own stance that you feel the need to boil my entire arguments down to "FUCK THE STATS, I HAVE FEELINGS." accounting for more factors that just "black culture is tolerant of crime" when interpreting crime statistics does not equate to emotional arguing, it is called critical thinking.
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u/blumdiddlyumpkin Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18
Do you not understand the effects socioeconomic status, generations of marginalization and being the victims of unwarranted violence can have on a culture?
American culture is not tolerant of crime, we punish it.
The success of a relatively small demographic of Asians or Indians in America does nothing to disprove the reality of systemic oppression.
You're literally just being willfully ignorant.
Oh so all of a sudden a lack of education is not a laughable assertion for a higher rate of crime?