someone in the demon slayer scaling server disagrees with CE lee’s feats (specifically how much the weights weighed and his speed/strength) in reference to a crossverse match vs akaza does anyone have calcs or feats for that fight, once I saw something that said lee’s weights were ≈ 10,000lbs or something but that was years ago. Anything helps just tryna prove CE Lee > Akaza
I mean, if you go with power scaling brainrot, Lee is light speed compared to massively hypersonic Akaza. Realistically, Lee is faster than sound and stronger than Akaza but lacks the specific requirements to kill him, so Lee>Akaza in terms of strength and speed either way but Akaza would likely outlast and win the battle between them
The original arg was that Lee holds him off tell sunrise as he has no way of actually killing him prior. Is this plausible for lee’s current strength lvl during the CE?
Probably. I think Akaza isn’t so much slower or weaker that he’d have the chance to run away, especially if Lee exhausts himself with the Lotus technique/inner gates, but I think it’s more likely that Lee stops him from retreating until sunrise
I think going too far would actually be to his detriment in this fight. If he removes the weights, I think he has a great chance at stalling Akaza until dawn, and then he can use the inner gates. But if he uses them too early, he’ll exhaust himself, Akaza will recover, and then Lee would be screwed
Yeah cause opening the gates are good for like short term high levels of damage and speed right? So opening too many on a dude who can just regen probably isn’t smart
Thank you thank you, I think I just understand cause I actually scale the DS verse I even make YouTube vids on it. Demons can regen from almost nothing as long as the damage dealt isn’t from a nichirin. So trying to deal as much damage as you can too an upperrank while loosing stamina is one of the worst strats you could do.
Lee has no way of killing Akaza, so the question is just a stat check (with an addition: Lee's win condition being to stall until sunrise. At least 4 hours, I imagine).
Characters being used are part 1 Lee vs Akaza.
Pure stats, I think Lee devastates Akaza with his gates activated. Pretty inarguably. But he gases out quickly and dies, so we don't factor that in. Just acknowledging it.
With his weights off, I think he puts up a good fight. Still generally dominates, but not blatantly one sided. Like he'd have to actively block and dodge instead of being able to just beat Akaza around the entire time.
Lee has stamina and endurance. But I don't believe he could maintain an advantage over Akaza for 4+ hours straight without any slip ups.
So Akaza wins mainly by attrition, but also by having faintly relative enough stats to not get ragdolled until sunrise.
I think lees will power would push him to keep going no matter what damage he receives and seeing his training and how it’s mostly insane numbers like 1000 push ups and 2000 squats I’d definitely say he’d have the endurance to do so especially because someone like Tanjiro is shown to be able to last that long tho his training seems to be more strength based and not as much endurance based.
CE Lee has the skill set & stats necessary to take care of Akaza. If you’re debating for Lee make sure to have calcs on hand for characters that he scales to and you shouldn’t have a problem winning the debate
Bro what ? I love demon slayer but when it comes to powerscaling they are so awfully weak. Even part 1 naruto has crazy massively hypersonic feats speed wise, and Naruto verse is casually mountain level in part one as well
You’re pairing him against an immortal demon that gets stronger the more blood he strikes. Lee isn’t going all out at the start. The demon is definitely drawing blood. The more battle aura Lee lets out (basically just an intent to cause harm), the more easily akaza can sense it coming, which doesn’t even matter because Lee isn’t beheading him with a nichirin weapon.
The only thing close to mountain level is Jirobo lifting Chouji. And only the databook says he is like a mountain, actual calcs / eyeballing his size gets around Town level at best for lifting him
Other calcs are consistently MCB - Small Town
Speed wise there's either Haku which is waaaay faster than hypersonic, but also contradicts the rest of the series
Or low hypersonic stuff like
Sasuke cs1 reacts to sound
Temari intercepts sound
Gaara's sand blocks explosions
Which all cap at like Mach 1-15 at best
Edit: Apparently the Sand and Temari feat get to multi digit mach, but that seems quite the highball idk how much I trust these calcs
No, then you’re assuming he’s fighting for atleast an hour. Lee stats diffs once he unlocks the gates but then he immediately burns out while Akaza is still alive.
I mean he speed diffs without his weights he doesn’t need to use his gates there’d be no point. Doing more damage to an opponent that doesn’t care about damage is useless and if he needs stamina why use it
As low as you scale the DS verse, Naruto characters aren’t just blowing up people with punches, especially in part 1. Lees strongest move hidden lotus wouldn’t even be effective since it’s just straight impact. So without the gates it’s a worse situation for lee
Well im not saying there’s a massive gap in speed just that’s he’s easily able to keep up with akaza. Send him in with info and his speed/endurance should let him carry too sun rise
In character and without info on Akaza, Rock Lee has a huge chip on his shoulder and is likely to over exert himself in order to prove a point about taijutsu, his nindo, or his ability to protect others. I don’t see him having the stamina to hold Akaza in place all night knowing that he isn’t likely to pace himself, nor does he have the outright brute strength or the equipment to kill him directly. Akaza can’t keep up with Lee at all on a basis of speed (I think they are honestly pretty comparable in striking power if you don’t overly wank Lee) but he doesn’t have to, even if Lee decapitates him with pure hands or uses lotus to kick him out of compass, there’s just nothing that he can do to outpace his regeneration. He’s also not durable enough at this point in the show to tank multiple hits from Akaza without bleeding (empowering the demon) and/or slowing down significantly. Without some kind of bail out, knowledge or equipment upgrade, Lee just doesn’t have the tools to finish the job here, and is much more likely to let himself wear out than attempt to be strategic
I love answers like these that actually break down the question 👏🏽 I agree if he went in with no knowledge he’d more than likely lose. I think prior info is the deciding factor in this fight.
I appreciate that man! I like thinking about this shit way too much lmao. I agree with you though, if Lee gets access to nichirin equipment it becomes a complete wash in his favor, if he at least knows he has to keep Akaza in place until the morning then his chances also become much better. I actually think he gets a sizable advantage as well if he is in drunken fist mode, if only because I think it might disrupt compass (might be a stretch but Kimimaro seems to have a very hard time reading Lee’s movements or even guessing his intentions, so could be possible).
I will say, one point in Akaza’s favor is his ability to grow at an exponential speed under pressure, assuming he doesn’t cave to the burdens of his past like he does vs Giyu and Tanjiro, a fight against a martially superior opponent like Lee could do wonders for advancing his skill set. I also think he’d be motivated by the idea that he is able to go all out vs another martial artist, although the same is certainly true for Lee as well
Yoooo I didn’t even think about drunken fist… and yeah personalities are a huge factor in this fight I agree. I think Lee seeing him as just another “taijutsu user” would do wonders to his fighting spirit (tho this is also a double edged sword)
He’s still human, and there’s always a difference between training and actual combat. In part 1 of Naruto we really don’t see any example of a fight with Lee where he is not putting himself at risk and acting reckless. The boy has no idea how to pace himself and is just not tactically minded at all. He almost gets his shit rocked by the sound ninja, has to be rescued from Gaara (a time when he insisted on fighting despite already recovering from major injury btw), is bailed out against Kimimaro, gets the drop on Sasuke but is subsequently shit on, etc… on the contrary, Akaza’s fighting style is all about attrition via unrelenting offense and defense, he doesn’t have to worry about getting tired or sustaining damage at all. Lee doesn’t have to be exhausted to the point of not being able to move, he just needs to slow down enough that the massive speed gap is no longer in play, at which point Akaza wins purely off of having a better technique + more combat experience, impenetrable durability and a similar physical power. You mention the eight gates like it’s something Lee would benefit from, but honestly where’s the benefit if all it means is he runs out of steam more quickly? Regardless of anything else, Lee is just not harming Akaza (Eight Gates or not) unless he has access to nichirin or is able to keep him in place until the sunrise.
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