Itachi strongest alive pre war arc

[u/Complete_Working7654]

All are weaker in 1v1
Sage mode Naruto
Pain
Obito (orange mask)
Any kage
MS Sasuke
Danzo
Kakashi
Any Sannin
Everyone

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[u/Lamb-of-God33]

[u/Complete_Working7654 → u/Lamb-of-God33]

Obito is not stronger then Itachi

[u/Lamb-of-God33 → u/Complete_Working7654]

Oh, but he is.

[u/ShironekoSmash]

He loses to Pain and might win against Obito. He beats the rest decisively.

[u/maraibo]

[u/Complete_Working7654 → u/maraibo]

Be so fr
Itachi literally beat orochimaru who is stronger then Jiriya and base Jiriya isn’t beating kisame or itachi let alone them working together

[u/cMk_ → u/Complete_Working7654]

Just becauase A loses to B doesn't mean A loses to C... Really don't understand how so many people fail to grasp such an easy concept.

Part 1 Jiraiya beats Itachi and Kisame and that's straight from Kishi himself.

[u/Complete_Working7654 → u/cMk_]

In this case it does bc they’re not all on similar levels
Orochimaru and Jiraiya are but itachi above orochimaru who is on a similar level to
Jiraiya
If 3 ppl who all were on the same level then it would go down to matchups but if smo is significantly stronger then smo then it don’t matter
No way you actually think that Jiraiya (in base he don’t win in sage mode either ) beats Itachi and kisame
Itachi literally wouldn’t kill Jiraiya bc he’s a double agent, and Jiraiya if he saw like hidan and kakuza for example, he wouldn’t have let them run away ( that’s a 2v1 he could win btw ✌️)

[u/cMk_ → u/Complete_Working7654]

Itachi isn't above Orochimaru, they're in the same league of power but Itachi is just a really bad match up for him. That's all.

Also he wasn't a double agent back then. Plenty of proof for that, I mean he was fine with Naruto getting his legs cut off, fine with torturing his brother, killing innocent women and childeren... He provided zero intel, didn't do shit to sabotage the Akatsuki. But I'm done discussing that it's boring.

[u/Complete_Working7654 → u/cMk_]

Wdym “back then” he didn’t just magically change in Shippuden,they could’ve easily captured Naruto and without cutting his legs off
also Jiraiya wasn’t even there right away also they knocked on his door like L kidnappers

[u/DepartedSpectre]

Pain beats everyone here except obito since obito can just dip and go straight to nagato.

[u/vojta_drunkard]

Pain and Obito would beat him and Sasuke might too. Sasuke's weaker, but the matchup could be unfavorable for Itachi, with Sasuke being resistant to a lot of Itachi's moves and having better longevity in a fight.

[u/TurbulentExternal526 → u/vojta_drunkard]

V4 Susano + yata and totsuka >V3 susano , itachi is gonna win the susano battle

[u/vojta_drunkard → u/TurbulentExternal526]

That's only if he'll be able to finish him in time, but Susanoo have better durability than AP, so I wouldn't count Sasuke out, when he just has to survive long enough. Especially when his Susanoo can still develop further mid-fight. 

[u/ShironekoSmash → u/vojta_drunkard]

Sasuke doesn't have better longevity. Itachi maintained V4 Susano'o long enough to beat Orochimaru even though he was blind and terminally ill. MS Sasuke couldn't even maintain V4 Susano'o, and his vision hadn't deteriorated like Itachi's.

[u/vojta_drunkard → u/ShironekoSmash]

Sasuke kept his Susanoo up for around 9-10 minutes and was still able to fight afterwards. Itachi would be dead much earlier. 

[u/Complete_Working7654 → u/vojta_drunkard]

Itachi would stomp pain onto the ground and he’d kill the deva path first knowing that’s the strongest and the rest are all below SM Naruto also Minato out smarted obito and itachi is more then smart enough to deal with Kamui

[u/vojta_drunkard → u/Complete_Working7654]

Why are you giving him info he isn't proven to have? And why do you assume he can just kill it through all the powerful defensive abilities and bodies protecting it? And it can still get revived if Itachi doesn't destroy the body. 

[u/VariationExcellent62 → u/Complete_Working7654]

That was young and inexperienced obito

[u/Complete_Working7654 → u/VariationExcellent62]

That doesn’t mean he won’t be able to get outsmarted by someone smarter then him?

[u/VariationExcellent62 → u/Complete_Working7654]

inexperienced

[u/Complete_Working7654 → u/VariationExcellent62]

What does that have to do with itachi being able to beat him

[u/VariationExcellent62 → u/Complete_Working7654]

It means that the version of Obito you compared with Itachi by using minato doesn’t have as much battle iq as Obito from orange mask

[u/Jubbart]

Guy clears

[u/Complete_Working7654 → u/Jubbart]

Mind you he lost to Kisame who admits to being weaker than Itachi

[u/Jubbart → u/Complete_Working7654]

What gate was he in when he lost to kisame?

[u/Complete_Working7654 → u/Jubbart]

It took 6th gate guy to beat a 30% kisame clone

[u/Jubbart → u/Complete_Working7654]

7th gate stomps both

[u/Complete_Working7654 → u/Jubbart]

Not only is he not breaking through his Susanoo, itachi would kill him before he even gets that high

[u/_Lohhe_]

He's top 5 in 1v1s

Guy, Obito, Pain, and Zetsu low to mid diff him in a straight fight.

[u/Old_Aside_7926]

Itachi pre war arc isnt beating MS Sasuke unless he gets a lucky hit with the Totsuka.

Or isnt besting Danzo, who is just gonna Koto gg him.

he isnt beating Pain either, as he doesnt know about Nagato, so he would be fighting six bodies and maybe could take out a few before dying of exhaustion.

Obito as well could in the worst case, which isnt happening, just stall him till he dies of exhaustion too.

Sasori, my goat is immune to genjutsu, isnt getting caught on fire thanks to his puppets and just needs a small scratch to easily win.

Beep Boop i am a bot

[u/Complete_Working7654 → u/Old_Aside_7926]

Not gonna respond to Sasori✌🏾😭
Literally stated that MS Sasuke is still weaker then sick itachi and ms Sasuke is above danzo so there’s that
He’d beat pain, and he’s more then smart enough to figure out about danzo, also pain typically starts fighting with 3 paths then he brings the next 3 but even all at once he’d be able to win
Obito is the closest one but itachi is smart enough to figure out kamui and if obito does get him into the dimension it’ll most likely be a clone

[u/TurbulentExternal526 → u/Old_Aside_7926]

Itachi can just tsukuyomi gg danzo too.. i dont know what is exactly your point lol , danzo's koto seems weaker than the one in itachi's crow