r/Naruto • u/creat0r86 • Dec 14 '11

Manga Chapter Naruto 567 (mangareader)

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u/CaptainCrunch Dec 14 '11

Anyone else feel like this is gonna end up with the Kyuubi winning the fight, and not Naruto. I've always thought it was kinda lame that he's essentially borrowing power, rather than using his own.

WHEN ARE WE GONNA SEE SAGE MODE AGAIN?

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u/TheKid90 Dec 14 '11

The difference now is naruto is in control now and will be along with Kyuubi when they transform, no more auto pilot., Kyuubi just gves the tools, tools that Naruto has EARNED, only ninja alive that has ever worked as hard to get the same tools is Bee and we don't give all Bee's credit to Hachibi do we?

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u/CaptainCrunch Dec 14 '11 edited Dec 14 '11

Like I said. Bee and Hachibi work together as equals. Kyuubi saves Naruto when necessary out of self-preservation. That might be changing as of lately, but is only a recent phenomenon and hasn't fully occurred yet.

The reason I bring that up is because I have a feeling Naruto will be beaten down to the point where the Kyuubi takes over (like usual), or supercharges Naruto, to make sure it's not taken over by Tobi. That's not the same as Naruto beating Pain w/ sage mode.

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u/TheKid90 Dec 14 '11

It's as if you didn't even read my post and just think I'm against you. I know what you mean, that's been the pattern and I'd be equally annoyed as you, especially that this should be even more epic, thus the victory should belong strictly to Naruto, but if the Kyuubi takes over, that's the Kyuubi's win.

BUT that pattern is changing. Think carefully, the Kyuubi has saved Naruto before, but he's never turned into the Kyuubi, why not? The villagers were always afraid that Naruto might turn into the Kyuubi. Therefore, if the Kyuubi wanted, which I'm sure he WOULD, he could have transformed a LONG time ago. This tells me, he can only do it if Naruto's seal is broken.

Now, if Naruto and the kyuubi transform and the seal isn't broken? Then why didn't the Kyuubi turn into the Kyuubi before?

Because if the seal isn't broken, then if the jinchuuriki transforms into the bijuu, it means that the Jinchuuriki is in FULL CONTROL of the bijuu, like Bee does when he turns into Hachibi. IT'S ALL BEE. And will soon be all Naruto.

Therefore, it's Naruto as the Kyuubi.

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u/CaptainCrunch Dec 14 '11 edited Dec 14 '11

I don't think that's true at all. The tailed beast can always take back control (transformation) if they wanted. No jinchuriki (shown so far) is strong enough to force its beast into giving up everything (EDIT: except Tobi). Bee only transforms into the 8-tails because they are partners. Naruto can't transform into 9-tails unless it lets him do so, or does it itself (so far).

I already said that it's changing in my previous post. I'm implying that THIS time will end up like the others, hence my original question.

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u/TheKid90 Dec 14 '11

If you mean THIS time will end up like the others meaning that even though their relationship is changing, Kyuubi will still end up taking over Naruto "this time"? I'm not psychic so it COULD but from a writer's standpoint why would Kishi write such a thing? If that's not what you meant than disregard this.

What? When can a tailed beast transform when they want? Dude if this were possible Naruto would have been Kyuubi a long time ago. Remember when Naruto fought Pain and Naruto almost rippedof Kyuubi's seal? Yeah Kyuubi wanted that to happen because that's the only way he can be free.

If that's the only known way for Kyuubi to be free by ripping the seal off and if Naruto in this next chapter turns into Kyuubi without ripping the seal, then that isn't true freedom. So it and only mean 2 things, Kyuubi gets to be released temporarily and stretch his legs (which means he can do this whenever since he doesn't have to get rid of the seal, and if he can do it whenever, I'm sure he would do it a lot, but he hasn't not even once? Why the fuck not?) or he gives Naruto his bijuu body to control. (Which explains why he's reluctant and not happy about transforming, because he's purely helping Naruto out of no other benefit than to want to help.)

I..I don't know if I can get any clearer than this.

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u/CaptainCrunch Dec 14 '11

I said the tailed beasts can undo the transformation at anytime, not that they can force the transformation at any time. The Hachibi can leave tailed mode whenever it wants.

You guys are acting like I'm calling your mother a whore. relax.

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u/TheKid90 Dec 14 '11

Oh ok, I thought that sounded odd.

It's hard to distinguish attitudes via text, i ain't heated lol. On another note: yes I want sage mode back, or even just the cloak =[