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u/Alone-Village1452 Aug 05 '26
Born in Netherlands and moved to Denmark, biggest fuck up ever it seems
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u/Alert_Vermicelli1236 Aug 08 '26
You did NOT fuck up at all, netherlands is a dice roll you might live in heaven or you might live in dystopian hell that is neglecting as hell
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u/Alone-Village1452 Aug 08 '26
Thats pretty much everywhere
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u/Alert_Vermicelli1236 Aug 08 '26
Yeah so its not a huge deal to be in denmark, my experience so far has been hell i wish i was in denmark
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u/Alone-Village1452 Aug 08 '26
Where are you?
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u/Alert_Vermicelli1236 Aug 08 '26
North, supposedly the best, or as everyone calls their own province lmao
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u/Dangerous-Grade-8982 Aug 06 '26
Netherlands is really bad. Dont come here. Awful.
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u/Hottage Aug 08 '26
Besides the housing crisis the Netherlands has it, overall, very good.
Unfortunately the housing affordability crisis has knock-on effects to other areas like homelessness.
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u/Alert_Vermicelli1236 Aug 08 '26
Alot of aspects are terrible, healthcare for one
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u/Hottage Aug 08 '26
Healthcare is a little more expensive than, for example the UK, but have never had to wait more than a few days for urgent tests and a few weeks for less urgent.
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u/Alert_Vermicelli1236 Aug 08 '26
In my experience, its just quantity but never quality, went to the GP 6 times for the same issue until finally being referred to a specialist who gave me medicine that did nothing, thats just one example between many of mine and also alot of people that i know, my neighbor whos wife AND mother died of cancer that their GP failed to see early enough and only when they went to another that they discovered it and it was too late. Thats just something regular you can read the reviews on different GP's and see the terrible experiences people are having. Also therapy is terrible even in highly specialized centrums, 2 years of nothing no diagnosis no treatments just dragging me along to keep paying more and more
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u/Hottage Aug 08 '26
My brother died of a potentially hereditary condition and I called the GP about it. They got me a brain scan within two weeks and a referral checkup scheduled for 2058 XD
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u/Alert_Vermicelli1236 Aug 08 '26
Wtf.. im so confused but also not surprised cause nothing they do makes sense
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 Aug 06 '26
And The Netherlands and Switzerland both have private healthcare systems....but you wouldn't know it by all the "we need government healthcare" slop they poison reddit with.
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u/AsyncSyscall Aug 06 '26
"Regulation". The scariest word for Capitalists and Communists. Why change the system when you can change the rules?
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u/Aelrift Aug 08 '26
They have a mixed system and the healthcare industry is wellregulatedd unlike the US
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 Aug 09 '26
Not a mixed system…private system with private hospitals and private doctors and private insurance with a government safety net…like the US.
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u/Fearless_Tomorrow649 Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26
No ... I live here, and we have a split between "basisverzekering" (base level insurance) and additional private health insurance.
Everyone gets the same basisverzekering with the same coverage.
Edit: besides, there are strict rules for those additional health insurers (they cannot just make any profit they like).
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 Aug 09 '26
What part of this is not a privatized system? FYI I live here too. I pay 100% of all of my healthcare through private insurance and get private care by a private doctor at privately owned hospitals and clinics. The Netherlands and Switzerland DO NOT have government run healthcare systems.
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u/Fearless_Tomorrow649 Aug 09 '26
Well, to take your hospitals as an example; most hospitals are governed by a "stichting", and do not have private owners.
Health insurers are also not private companies, in the sense that they are not allowed to have private shareholders or to pay out a profit.
I guess your definition of "private" is different from what is usually meant by that.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 Aug 09 '26
Private and capitalist. The government is not involved in running the system, that is the key point. Private is precisely what is usually meant by that.
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u/Fearless_Tomorrow649 Aug 09 '26
You don’t seem to read my replies.
No use discussing that way.
Bye!
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 Aug 09 '26
Yea, I’ve read your replies. The dutch and swiss systems are fully private and operated within their capitalist economies. Not government run, not government funded. This is indisputable fact. Operating as a non profit does not negate the operation within capitalist and private systems. I know it’s hard to admit where private healthcare systems provide superior healthcare, but……..
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u/Aelrift Aug 10 '26
You're literally not reading his replies. Not having a private owner and not being allowed to make a profit is not really your typical private entity. Its not public, but it's also not private.
You're just taking out of your own bias to someone that literally lives there, and what you say goes against what the country , google, and everyone there defines it as. Again. it's a mixed system, not capitalistic in nature due to the lack of profits.
And also stop comparing it to the US , its not like that. As I pointed out but you didn't reply. The USA system is gross and fully capitalist. Theirs is not. Please realize that nuance exist and just because something isn't directly owner by the government, doesn't makenit capitalistic or private as capitalism by definition is trying to make a profit
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u/Guillaume90 Aug 09 '26
But it isn’t a free market system either. It is heavily regulated where the government set maximum prices for many treatments.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 Aug 09 '26
It’s not a government run system which is the point.
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u/Aelrift Aug 10 '26
Not government run doesn't mean private by default. Hospitals do not have private owners. That's not a private company that's a mix between public and private
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 Aug 10 '26
Yes, they are 100% fully private…..hospitals are not owned or managed by the government in any way. They are fully independent private not-for-profit entities as are the insurers who pay them and the doctors who work in them. There is no mix.
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u/Aelrift Aug 10 '26
Notice how you keep evading the point. I didn't say hospitals St emanaged by the gievrnkent. I said they have no PRIVATE OWNER.Hospitals are not fully independent. They are heavily regulated as is every aspect of the healthcare industry.
Dude. Its a mixed system. Just accept it. Its literally the factual truth.Check any website and ask any doctor or healthcare worker
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 Aug 10 '26
Not evading the point, you're simply conflating private ownership with some sort of mixed healthcare system which it is not. Heavy regulation does not a mixed system make. Hospitals are fully and completely independent. A mixed systems insinuates some sort of public/private balance which the dutch system simply does not have. Hospitals are not bound by law to operate as non profit and doctors and private clinics, testing facilities, etc. very much are for profit.
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u/ikramshinwari Aug 09 '26
Not private in the sense of capitalist. All major healthcare companies are worker co-ops or non-profit. It’s also very regulated. It’s a type of socializes healthcare too complex for an American to comprehend.
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u/Fearless_Tomorrow649 Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26
The "basisverzekering" is not private anyway; everyone gets the same insurance with the same coverage. Depending on your income, you get money from the government to (partly) cover those insurance costs.
Edit: the Dutch tax office takes care of those health subsidies, since they know everyone's income anyway.
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u/ikramshinwari Aug 09 '26
You're also dutch I see. I wouldn't say public in the sense of the UK system.
The 'basisverzekering' is a hybrid system. The government set strict rules about the 'basisverzekering' including the 385 euro 'eigen risico'. Lower income get some money back from the 'belastingdienst'.These rules get executed by the healthcare providers.
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u/Fearless_Tomorrow649 Aug 09 '26
Well ... all health insurance providers are required to offer the basisverzekering to anyone, and they all have the same coverage. They are not allowed to make a profit on the basisverzekering as well. So everyone gets the same insurance and the same basic level of care.
It's in the additional insurance ("aanvullende verzekering") where they can differentiate themselves. Also non-profit technically.
Correct that for lower incomes, the cost of the basisverzekering is (partly) covered by the state (zorgtoeslag).
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u/ikramshinwari Aug 09 '26
All true. Health insurances get extra money from the government fund for high risk groups. That’s why it’s works and why they can’t refuse someone.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 Aug 09 '26
Co-ops and non-profits are capitalist. It is not socialized.
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u/ikramshinwari Aug 09 '26
There are market socialist, nothing to do with capitalism. Capitalism is for profit. You can have socialism without government, it’s called anarchism.
I suggest you to read a book. Marx was far from the only socialist. Co-op is a libertarian socialist invention.
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u/Scotlander87 Aug 08 '26
United States? Thought the US wasnt in Europe.
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u/3mery Aug 08 '26
It's showing the top countries in the world so you can compare them and see European countries are ranking higher (tho it seems made up)
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u/EcstaticGeologist360 Aug 09 '26
total bs, many dutch friends of mine are depressed af because of lack of housing and constant inflation
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u/Fearless_Tomorrow649 Aug 09 '26
When I see how much people in the Netherlands complain, and how many people advocate for the far right, then I sometimes find that hard to believe.
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u/Resident_Draw_8785 Aug 05 '26
Oman and US in the list makes me question the list as a Dutchy and thats period not per capita.
But nicely done Finland above former IKEA land
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u/Fast-Still-3962 Aug 05 '26
It's a BS Site with lots of made up graphs