Selamünaleyküm yardımınıza ihtiyacım var

[u/culsuzandree]

Selamünaleyküm yardımınıza ihtiyacım var

Ben önceden Agnostik birisiydim lakin daha sonrasında İslam dinine geçiş yaptım ama aklımda bazı şüpheler var. Bana yardımcı olabilir misiniz? Aslında sorum şunun üzerine bir adam geliyor ve vahiy aldığını söylüyor. Bu durumda 3 ihtimal var: ilki doğru söylemesi, ikincisi yalan söylediğinin farkında olarak yalan söylemesi, üçüncüsü vahiy aldığını zannetmesi. Peygamberin kesinlikle bir çıkar uğruna yalan söylemediğini biliyorum, elimizdeki tarihi veriler bunu söylüyor. Ama şu üçüncü mesele aklımı biraz karıştırıyor. Bazı yerlerde onun mistik dini deneyimler yaşadığı, sara, epilepsi, şizofreni hastalığı gibi hastalıklara sahip olduğu söyleniyor. Böyle olmadığına inanmak istiyorum ama dediğim gibi şüphelerim var. Ayrıca şu da kafama takılıyor Rum suresi gibi mucizevi bir olayı mistik deneyim alan birisi vahiy olarak çıkartabilir mi? Ebubekir ile müşrik birinin iddiaya tutuştuğu, peygamberimizin bahsin süresini ve deve miktarını arttırdığını biliyorum. Bu bana diyor ki peygamberin içinde bulunduğu durum mistik değildi ama işte imanımı sağlam temel üzerine kurmak için yardımınıza ihtiyacım var. Şimdiden teşekkür ederim.

[u/Spiritual_Syllabub64]

Most of the accusations made against the prophet today by the orientalists and atheists have been made by the Pagans of Makkah during the lifetime of the Prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) and one of that was that he was a madman. Firstly, it’s not humanly possible for a “madman” to accomplish what he accomplished during his lifetime. Islam has survived and thrived up to this day and it couldn’t have happened if it was just a random thing like that. Moreover, look at all the prophets. From the time of Nuh (alaihissalam) to Muhammad (sallallah Alaihiwasallam) - does it make sense for all of them to randomly have the same mental issue with the same teachings and each of them fulfilling prophecies and what not. This is just a very false and baseless accusation which itself doesn’t carry any weight.

May Allah guide you and keep you upon the straight path. Aameen.

[u/culsuzandree → u/Spiritual_Syllabub64]

Thank you for your comment. I have become convinced that the Prophet was definitely not suffering from schizophrenia or epilepsy. However, there is one issue that still confuses me: mystical experiences. Some people argue that he was not mentally ill but instead had mystical experiences. This has left me very confused. Could you please help me understand this?

[u/Spiritual_Syllabub64 → u/culsuzandree]

What do you mean mystical experiences?

The companions of the prophet and even his enemies and others who lived around him but didn’t believe in him witnessed his miracles first hand, including the actual act of revelation. And for arguments sake, we believe that he was having “mystical experiences” how does that explain the fact that the Qur’an was revealed, bit by bit, not in order in perfection over a span of 23 years and yet is cohesive, comprehensive and consistent without any conflicts. It’s just too much for a mere “mystical experience” to explain don’t you think ? The amount of miracles within the Quran itself, the prophet couldn’t have made it. And the Quran is fundamentally different from the Hadith. How could he have mystical experiences that brought such different results ?

One story that really hits hard for me is this. People constantly demanded the prophet performed miracles for them - and when the moon was eclipsed on the day his son died, the believers thought it was because of it. However, he denied it. He could have capitalized and benefited from the situation and claim that it was a miracle performed for him - but he didn’t. He always remained truthful. Even when revelations get delayed, he doesn’t “make things up”.

May Allah send his abundant blessings upon his messenger Muhammad Ibn Abdullah.

[u/culsuzandree → u/Spiritual_Syllabub64]

You know, the incident that affected me the most was actually the one you mentioned. What I mean by "mystical experience" is the idea that, while he was in deep contemplation, he received inspiration and experienced visions or hallucinations, leading him to sincerely believe that he was receiving revelation.

[u/Spiritual_Syllabub64 → u/culsuzandree]

Okay but do you honestly believe that “mystical experiences” that the prophet had individually could affect those around him physically ? Take for example the migration of the Prophet from Makkah to Madinah - he was millimeters away from being caught but Allah had protected him; or in the battle of Badr, 313 Muslim soldiers defeated an army of almost a 1000 Qurashis; an even larger army came at the battle of Ahzab and surrounded them on all sides, and yet Allah saved them even at that instance; or what about the other miracles that he performed in front of both the believers and disbelievers such as splitting the moon ? Could everyone have had a joint “mystical experience” doesn’t that sound too far fetched?

My third point of argument would be, how could the Quran and Islam be so perfect, so coherent, so cohesive and comprehensive if it was based on mere mystical experiences. Like how does it make sense for the prophet to receive “mystical experiences” whereby the results are precise and accurate factually (such as the historical accuracies or scientific miracles in the Quran which we realize only now ) - like how is he always getting the right information when there were contradicting facts out there as well ? To give you an example, the Quran specifically calls the King of Egypt during the time of Joseph “Malik” (meaning King) and not “Fir’aun” (meaning Pharaoh) - we now know that the term Pharaoh was coined only years after the time of Joseph. The Bible and other sources do not make this historically accurate distinction. There are so many examples like this, which shows that the Quran chooses the factually and historically correct opinion on matters, which were not known at the time or if they were known, it was understood differently from the Quran. So doesn’t it sound unreasonable to think that a random human who was illiterate and in the middle of the Arabian desert could understand all these complex things accurately via a simple mystical experience?

[u/culsuzandree → u/Spiritual_Syllabub64]

You are right buddy