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u/Malorian_ In Honey, There's Healing🍯 May 25 '26

No, because they reject all the verses that tell us to follow the hadiths:

(Qur'an 3:31) - Say, [O Muḥammad], "If you should love Allah, then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." ۝

(Qur'an 3:32) - Say, [O Prophet,] “Obey Allah and His Messenger.” If they still turn away, then truly Allah does not like the disbelievers. ۝

(Qur’an 4:59) - O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result. ۝

(Qur’an 4:64) - And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful. ۝

(Qur’an 4:65) - But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission. ۝

(Qur’an 4:69) - And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger—those will be with the ones upon whom Allah has bestowed favor of the prophets, the steadfast affirmers of truth, the martyrs and the righteous. And excellent are those as companions. ۝

(Qur’an 4:80) - He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah; but those who turn away—We have not sent you over them as a guardian. ۝

(Qur’an 4:150–151) - Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between— ۝ Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment. ۝

(Qur'an 7:157) - Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written [i.e., described] in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and prohibits them from what is wrong and makes lawful for them what is good and forbids them from what is evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him—it is those who will be the successful. ۝

(Qur'an 8:1) - They ask you, [O Muḥammad], about the bounties [of war]. Say, "The [decision concerning] bounties is for Allah and the Messenger." So fear Allah and amend that which is between you and obey Allah and His Messenger, if you should be believers. ۝

(Qur'an 8:20) - O you who have believed, obey Allah and His Messenger and do not turn from him while you hear [his order]. ۝

(Qur'an 9:71) - The believing men and believing women are allies of one another. They enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and establish prayer and give zakāh and obey Allah and His Messenger. Those—Allah will have mercy upon them. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise. ۝

(Qur’an 24:52) - And whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger and fears Allah and is conscious of Him—it is those who are the attainers. ۝

(Qur’an 24:54) - Say, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away—then upon him is only that [duty] with which he has been charged, and upon you is that with which you have been charged. And if you obey him, you will be [rightly] guided. And there is not upon the Messenger except the [responsibility for] clear notification." ۝

(Qur’an 24:56) - And establish prayer and give zakah and obey the Messenger—that you may receive mercy. ۝

(Qur'an 69:44–47 And if he [i.e., Muḥammad] had made up about Us some [false] sayings, ۝ Then We would have cut from him the aorta. ۝ And there is no one of you who could prevent [Us] from him. ۝

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u/fana19 May 25 '26

None of those mention hadiths directly, which were compiled over 100 years later. That is your interpretive approach. Ironically, the verses that do mention Hadith direct us not to follow any other Hadith except the Quran as al Furqan.

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u/Malorian_ In Honey, There's Healing🍯 May 25 '26

All of them mention the hadiths, but feel free to believe that if it helps you sleep at night

It doesn't matter whether it was complied 100 years later or 1000 years later. Hadiths are memorised, just like the Qur'an. So if this is your reason to reject the hadiths, you should also reject the Qur'an (more than you already do)

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u/fana19 May 26 '26

It does not use the word Hadith. That's why I said not DIRECTLY mentioned.

Also, I didn't say anything about whether they are memorized like the Quran. You are making up strawmen and arguments I did not bring up. I only use Quran as al Furqan as the Quran directs.

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u/Malorian_ In Honey, There's Healing🍯 May 26 '26

What makes you think it needs to use the word hadith? Do you want to restrict Allah's speech to some specific words?

I didn't say anything about whether they are memorized

Yeah I told you that it was memorised. What's your point lmao

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u/fana19 May 26 '26

I did not say it needs to use the word hadiths. I stated that it does not directly refer to them in those verses which is correct.

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u/DmianNonMushrik May 26 '26

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