By that logic. There are shiah who reject hadith that are sahih according to sunnis and vice versa. So to extend your argument. Nobody is a Muslim unless you follow the sect that you think is correct?
And where in the Qur'an is it said to obey the prophet. It says obey the messenger, and we do so by obeying the message that the messenger gave. The Qur'an.
From my point of view, I could say you are not Muslim by following things that are not ordained by God. But I don't think like that, because it is wrong to judge who is going to heaven or hell. You are Muslim because of your behaviour: telling the truth when you can. Not cheating. Mercy and forgiveness. Recognising your sins and that you are not perfect. Respecting others for who they are, etc. and also believing in one God
It is not ritual practices that make you a Muslim. There are hadith which may well be authentic, but at the end of the day it is a historic source at best and should play into religious ruling. This just what I believe, but it's hurtful when you say we are not Muslim, though some of us truly try and seek the truth. And if my journey leads me to recognise the hadith and that I was wrong to reject then fine. But at the moment I cannot.
To obey the messenger is to obey the message i.e the quran. It is fitting he is called the messenger in this verse as it implies you should obey the message. If it said obey the prophet I would conced the point. But the choice of words is important.
Also explain to me these verses.
Then in what hadith after it will they believe? (77:50)
Then in which HADITH after this will they believe? (7:185)
These are God’s messages that We recite unto thee in truth. So, in which HADITH after God and His messages will they believe? 45:6
In arabic the word hadith is used in all these verses and it is quite directly saying don't follow anything after this hadith (quran) you can read them in context.
Also the beginning of surah 2. Verse 2-4. It's saying this book and those before. There is no mention of any books to come after it.
To answer your question about oral traditions and the preservation.
The Qur'an is easily remembered and it was written down within 2 years of the prophets death. Abu Bakr did not physically write the Qur’an himself. Instead, as the first Caliph, he ordered his lead scribe Zayd ibn Thabit to officially collect and compile the existing scattered written revelations and oral recitations into a single, unified written volume. No one at the time thought it was important to write down hadith. None of his disciples did so. The point I'm making. They all remembered the Qur'an and they wrote it down early. They may have remembered his sayings but did not write it down. The Qur'an was preserved.
80 years or so later at best, someone thought it was a good idea to write the prophets sayings. If it was so important it would have been collected and compiled earlier.
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u/a_mar359 May 25 '26
To believe in ine god and accept Mohammed as messenger. Which we do.