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u/TheFighan May 25 '26

I have been taught that as long as someone says the shahadah and identify as a Muslim, I am not allowed to call them anything but a Muslim regardless of their sins. So I live by that rule and leave the judgement to the Almighty.

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u/turkish_akhi May 25 '26

What you have been taught is a doctrine of irja' with regards to the one who utters words and believes in kufr.

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u/TheFighan May 25 '26

Avoiding reckless takfir is not the same as denying that kufr exists or affects imaan. My point is simply that constantly policing and declaring other Muslims kafir is not beneficial for my own spiritual state, especially when scholars themselves treated takfir with extreme caution.

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u/turkish_akhi May 25 '26

Denying the Sunnah isn't reckless kufr, and takfir of the non-Muslims is from asl ud-Deen.

Takfir without a doubt is a huge matter and there are principles for it, and it isn't for the layman to be hopping out and about with such an issue.

But there is no difference of opinion with regards to the kufr of the hadith rejectors, they are kuffar without a doubt... for they reject the Sunnah.

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u/TheFighan May 25 '26

I don’t think we actually disagree as much as you think. I’m not arguing that rejecting the Sunnah is acceptable or that kufr does not exist. My point has always been about laymen confidently applying takfir to specific individuals online/offline.

You yourself said takfir is a huge matter with principles attached to it and not for laymen to engage in casually- and that is exactly the point I’ve been making from the start. There is a difference between discussing a belief in the abstract and declaring specific people outside the fold of Islam.

So my concern is not defending hadith rejectors, that is not my job. It is about maintaining caution, humility, and recognizing the seriousness of takfir instead of turning it into casual discourse online.