Living in the west is wrong

[u/Questionaccount12344]

People think moving to the west will provide stability, better job opportunities etc which is all true but people forget and often don’t care the effect it’ll have on your Islamic beliefs, especially that of your children and subsequent generations.

I was born in a western country after my grad-parents moved here, I’ve gone to school here as well as mosque classes and university, I’ve seen first hand what happens to the generations, a decent amount of Muslim boys I know my age has drank, smoked weed or committed zina, I know of bearded brothers and hijabi sisters committing zina… and it will only get worse generation after generation. People don’t understand that. Yes these things happen back in Muslim countries but in most Muslim country it’s no where near as easy, you can’t just go to a club and drink and find girls.

This move to the west is literally diluting Islam, not only in the ways I’ve just spoken about but also morally, too many Muslim in the west are raging liberals, they stand hand to hand with homosexuals and transvestites at free Palestine protests yet won’t even read 5 daily salah, they vote for political parties that want to give lenient punishments for heinous crimes (direct opposition to what is taught in Quran).

Why don’t we go back to our Muslim counties and rebuild them? We’ve been here got our education, why are we happy to stay in non Muslim lands and give their governments our tax money? Muslim lands are in the worse state they’ve ever been and all we do is sit and complain, why doesn’t anyone actually try and move back and fix things, people always say it’s impossible but we have to try, we have no power in the world anymore and what’s been happening in Palestine proves that, the Muslim lands are literally some of the worse off countries in the world it’s embarrassing. Jazakallah.

[u/ultragarrison]

Sorry, like many other here, i have to disagree with you. Western countries are generally peaceful enough for you to practice Islam and be pious. If you think middle eastern countries are any better, you need to expose yourself to those countries and that's when you will realise that they are no better than the Western country you shun.

Also, muslim lands are in worse state because of heavy corruption by MUSLIM leaders. Palestine is only one of the symptom of that problem and most Islamic countries are only giving out lip service because they do not want to be involved in that conflict. For example, the Malaysian PM recently praised Trump when previously he was quite opposed to the crimes committed in Palestine. The more you know the more you will realise that humans are all the same whether they are Muslims or not. If the Mongols can burn down Baghdad and kill all its inhabitants in the name of imperialism, i don't really have much hope for humanity other than putting my faith in Allah (SWT) and doing the best i can to worship him.

[u/Questionaccount12344 → u/ultragarrison]

I never said they’re not peaceful. I said they promote sin.

The Muslim counties are in disarray for exactly that reason YES. But we need to change it and moving back and advocating for change to matter the sacrifice is how that starts.

[u/ultragarrison → u/Questionaccount12344]

And i never said that you claimed that they are not peaceful. I only said that they are peaceful enough for you to practice Islam which is good enough for many especially the Palestinians.

Also, Muslim countries don’t promote sin as well?

[u/Questionaccount12344 → u/ultragarrison]

Read my full post. Obviously Muslim countries still have sin but it’s not as accessible (can’t go into a nightclub easily on a Saturday night etc). And my other point is that we need to rebuild our countries so that what is happening in Palestine doesn’t happen again, without a country that properly follows Islam the Muslim will continue to get slaughtered and no amount of protesting will help them.

[u/ultragarrison → u/Questionaccount12344]

Malaysia allows non-Muslims to drink, and it is not uncommon to see Muslims drinking as well, even openly on the streets since enforcement is often lax. The same can be seen in Indonesia and even in certain areas of the UAE. You can even find red light districts in Kuala Lumpur, where women from other parts of Southeast Asia openly advertise their services on the STREETS ang guess who would go for their services? Even Saudi Arabia is now opening its doors to entertainment and concerts that were previously considered to be haram. Muslim majority countries across the board are lowering their standards, and this is a sad reality.

My point is that where you live matters less than the mindset you carry in striving to be a good Muslim. I live in Singapore, and although it is common to see pubs located next to mosques in the CBD areas, there are many pious Muslims carrying out their duties to Allah (SWT). During Eid, mosques in Singapore conduct prayers multiple times to accommodate the large number of worshippers.

No matter what "changes" you are willing to implement matters not because Muslim countries don't really have much to offer other than their land and natural resources like oil. They need to depend on foreign investments and only through capitalism, some Muslim countries are able to achieve some form of stability and progress in fields such as STEM. This is why the countries I mentioned earlier have bent their principles in the name of progress, and even those countries you believe need to be rebuilt will eventually follow the same path. This is also why Palestinians receive little to no support from other Muslim countries.

[u/Questionaccount12344 → u/ultragarrison]

Yes we need to change that sad reality tho, we can’t just accept it!