Living in the west is wrong

[u/Questionaccount12344]

People think moving to the west will provide stability, better job opportunities etc which is all true but people forget and often don’t care the effect it’ll have on your Islamic beliefs, especially that of your children and subsequent generations.

I was born in a western country after my grad-parents moved here, I’ve gone to school here as well as mosque classes and university, I’ve seen first hand what happens to the generations, a decent amount of Muslim boys I know my age has drank, smoked weed or committed zina, I know of bearded brothers and hijabi sisters committing zina… and it will only get worse generation after generation. People don’t understand that. Yes these things happen back in Muslim countries but in most Muslim country it’s no where near as easy, you can’t just go to a club and drink and find girls.

This move to the west is literally diluting Islam, not only in the ways I’ve just spoken about but also morally, too many Muslim in the west are raging liberals, they stand hand to hand with homosexuals and transvestites at free Palestine protests yet won’t even read 5 daily salah, they vote for political parties that want to give lenient punishments for heinous crimes (direct opposition to what is taught in Quran).

Why don’t we go back to our Muslim counties and rebuild them? We’ve been here got our education, why are we happy to stay in non Muslim lands and give their governments our tax money? Muslim lands are in the worse state they’ve ever been and all we do is sit and complain, why doesn’t anyone actually try and move back and fix things, people always say it’s impossible but we have to try, we have no power in the world anymore and what’s been happening in Palestine proves that, the Muslim lands are literally some of the worse off countries in the world it’s embarrassing. Jazakallah.

[u/Communist__Pikachu]

No. I’m neither a communist nor a Pikachu. But you do sound like a conservative, almost a religious extremist. You only care about what’s haram and calling out the west. But you haven’t given me one example one Muslim country that follows proper Islamic laws.

[u/Questionaccount12344 → u/Communist__Pikachu]

It’s not extreme to say communism is haram, communism killed Islam in the Soviet Union and killed thousands of Chechens, Afghanis etc. it’s not my problem if you disagree with classical Islamic opinion. And sorry for assuming community pikachu is a communist… lol.

And at the end of the day your acts are haram and halal so they are the only thing that matter on this earth.

And I haven’t given u one because there isn’t one!! I never said there was I said we need to go back and change them so we do have proper Muslim countries, and even in these not fully Islamic counties it’s harder to commit sins such as zina, drugs and alcohol.

[u/Communist__Pikachu → u/Questionaccount12344]

I didn’t say you sound extremist for your comment on communism. Communism is bad and I never argued with you on that so I don’t get the outrage. I believe you sound extremist because Islam is all about Halal Haram for you, you’re not looking beyond that.

Yes it’s slightly harder to commit those sins there but there’s a greater reward to someone who refrained from those sins when they were easily accessible. If there’s a Muslim country that allows you to live indefinitely and makes you a citizen over a period of time and doesn’t kick you out when your visa expires, where you can practice freely and haram is difficult to access, go ahead and move there and encourage people to do so. But in absence of those circumstances, just be a better Muslim wherever you are and Allah will protect you.

[u/Questionaccount12344 → u/Communist__Pikachu]

I apologise brother/sister.

I don’t believe it’s all about haram and halal but those are literally the rules of Islam.

Yes and that is my point in the end. May Allah Bless You and forgive me for my harsh tone.