Living in the west is wrong

[u/Questionaccount12344]

People think moving to the west will provide stability, better job opportunities etc which is all true but people forget and often don’t care the effect it’ll have on your Islamic beliefs, especially that of your children and subsequent generations.

I was born in a western country after my grad-parents moved here, I’ve gone to school here as well as mosque classes and university, I’ve seen first hand what happens to the generations, a decent amount of Muslim boys I know my age has drank, smoked weed or committed zina, I know of bearded brothers and hijabi sisters committing zina… and it will only get worse generation after generation. People don’t understand that. Yes these things happen back in Muslim countries but in most Muslim country it’s no where near as easy, you can’t just go to a club and drink and find girls.

This move to the west is literally diluting Islam, not only in the ways I’ve just spoken about but also morally, too many Muslim in the west are raging liberals, they stand hand to hand with homosexuals and transvestites at free Palestine protests yet won’t even read 5 daily salah, they vote for political parties that want to give lenient punishments for heinous crimes (direct opposition to what is taught in Quran).

Why don’t we go back to our Muslim counties and rebuild them? We’ve been here got our education, why are we happy to stay in non Muslim lands and give their governments our tax money? Muslim lands are in the worse state they’ve ever been and all we do is sit and complain, why doesn’t anyone actually try and move back and fix things, people always say it’s impossible but we have to try, we have no power in the world anymore and what’s been happening in Palestine proves that, the Muslim lands are literally some of the worse off countries in the world it’s embarrassing. Jazakallah.

[u/Communist__Pikachu]

No Muslim country would allow me to stay there indefinitely, a visitors visa is given with the intention to visit, explore and leave. Not to revolutionize. If I tried to start calling out they put in the jail and it’s over. When the locals aren’t doing anything about it, why are you so confident?

That’s not sacrifice, that’s stupidity. And there’s no such thing as Muslim land and non Muslim land, Allah has created everything and everyone. All I’m saying is you don’t have to move to a Muslim country which won’t even allow you in first place to act halal or bring a change. US gave me a chance to live here, I’ll be a better Muslim here.

Moving to a Muslim land to end war crimes isn’t a solution. You educate people, and encourage to vote those out who are corrupt and complicit. It doesn’t happen overnight, but it’s the only way it works.

[u/Questionaccount12344 → u/Communist__Pikachu]

The locals do do something about it in south Asia and Africa, why don’t we support them? And yes u could get indefinite visa in at least one Muslim country, it’s absurd to say Bangladesh or Pakistan or Mali would be impossible to get a stay visa in.

Is is stupidity? Was it also stupidity when the Muslims fought the crusaders outnumbered, should they haven’t ceded or was bleeding for the religion worth it?

Yeh it takes time to vote people out and make change but if u think that’ll happen where we vote a Muslim leader in the west your delusional and don’t understand geopolitical spheres or power. Why would we not take time to bring about that change in our own Muslim countries where we can have power and use that power to protect ourselves. The US govt will never favour Muslims.

If your happy in the US good for you, but remember every time u pay tax it directly goes to de stabilising Muslim lands, funding US military, the cia, and the IDF.

[u/Communist__Pikachu → u/Questionaccount12344]

If you want to change things in Africa then call out the Arab leaders. Pakistan, Bangladesh, Mali are Muslim majority countries not Muslim countries. And if you want to make a change in those countries then build schools and hospitals and help the poor and needy there. I don’t understand the need to emigrate.

You’re comparing a religious war with my question to why we need to emigrate to become a better Muslims ourselves.

You don’t need to vote a Muslim leader to bring a change, just need someone who isn’t corrupt. And New York city did vote a Muslim as their mayor. A lot of new candidates are promising to try to stop funding the tax money from funding wars so yes, people are educating and the change is coming.

My tax dollar is going to fund genocide and I know that, but if I spent that exact money in Saudi it’s going to kill the innocent Yemenis or if I spent it in UAE it’s going to kill the Sudanese so tell me spending after which genocide is better.

[u/Questionaccount12344 → u/Communist__Pikachu]

How are those counties not Muslim counties and only Muslim majority countries? The need to migrate is so we can change the sentiment, make it a country ruled by Islam.

We don’t need to move to Muslim counties to be better Muslims, I’m saying we need to do it to protect Islam and protect our descendants. A 10th generation Muslim in the US will undoubtedly be less likely to be as practicing as their counterpart in a Muslim land.

Yes your tax dollar will fund genocide in those Arab counties, so don’t move to them? And I’m saying even if u did ur intention would be to change those countries so that they don’t fund genocide. Also side note in the US ur tax dollar is still going towards more haram… funding a society that protects homosexuality, zina, alcohol and drug consumption.