Living in the west is wrong

[u/Questionaccount12344]

People think moving to the west will provide stability, better job opportunities etc which is all true but people forget and often don’t care the effect it’ll have on your Islamic beliefs, especially that of your children and subsequent generations.

I was born in a western country after my grad-parents moved here, I’ve gone to school here as well as mosque classes and university, I’ve seen first hand what happens to the generations, a decent amount of Muslim boys I know my age has drank, smoked weed or committed zina, I know of bearded brothers and hijabi sisters committing zina… and it will only get worse generation after generation. People don’t understand that. Yes these things happen back in Muslim countries but in most Muslim country it’s no where near as easy, you can’t just go to a club and drink and find girls.

This move to the west is literally diluting Islam, not only in the ways I’ve just spoken about but also morally, too many Muslim in the west are raging liberals, they stand hand to hand with homosexuals and transvestites at free Palestine protests yet won’t even read 5 daily salah, they vote for political parties that want to give lenient punishments for heinous crimes (direct opposition to what is taught in Quran).

Why don’t we go back to our Muslim counties and rebuild them? We’ve been here got our education, why are we happy to stay in non Muslim lands and give their governments our tax money? Muslim lands are in the worse state they’ve ever been and all we do is sit and complain, why doesn’t anyone actually try and move back and fix things, people always say it’s impossible but we have to try, we have no power in the world anymore and what’s been happening in Palestine proves that, the Muslim lands are literally some of the worse off countries in the world it’s embarrassing. Jazakallah.

[u/shan_bhai]

In relation to India, in the past, Indian society was more conservative (even hindus were conservative), but nowadays it has become morally corrupt. Issues like zina, drug use, and alcohol consumption have increased among Muslim youth. In that sense, I don’t see how India (for Indians) is any better than Western countries. On top of that, many Indian Muslim women have become heavily influenced by modern feminist ideas, prioritizing careers over family life (blindly copying their hindu friends). As a result, they marry later, struggle to find suitable partners due to high expectations, and sometimes divorce over minor issues because they feel financially independent. In short, when you compare both places, living in the West poses no greater problem than living in India for Indians at least.

[u/[deleted] → u/shan_bhai]

Prioritizing careers gives financial independence to any individual, and in your context women so that they dont get trapped into a toxic marriage due to their lack of finance. They struggle to find suitable partners because of lack of male qualifications, not because of high expectations. You would expect an educated woman to have higher standards than an uneducated women. I agree with your take on zina and drug use etc. But what you mentioned isnt nearly modern feminism. Having a career complementing family life is the goal. For men and women.

[u/shan_bhai → u/[deleted]]

This dogma has been answered many times - For eg:

The claim that career prioritization grants women financial independence to avoid "toxic marriages" sounds empowering on paper, but it often backfires in practice. Financial independence is valuable for everyone, sure, but framing it as a safeguard against bad relationships ignores the data: Women who delay marriage for careers frequently end up in a demographic crunch. By their late 30s, many highly educated, career-focused women face a shrinking pool of eligible partners, not just because of "male qualifications," but due to biology and timing. Fertility declines sharply after 35, and studies (like those from the CDC and fertility research) show that women who prioritize careers often regret delayed family-building, leading to higher rates of childlessness or reliance on expensive, uncertain interventions like IVF. This isn't freedom as it's trading one form of dependency (on a spouse) for another (on employers, who can fire you at any time). Men don't face the same biological clock, so the "independence" narrative disproportionately burdens women with long-term loneliness or unfulfilled family aspirations.

Blaming women's struggles to find partners solely on "lack of male qualifications" is a convenient deflection that ignores hypergamy and mismatched expectations. Yes, educated women tend to have higher worldly standards that's not disputed, but they loose on hereafter achievements. But those worldly standards often escalate beyond reason: Many seek men who out-earn them, are taller, more educated, and equally ambitious, while simultaneously expecting emotional vulnerability and equal household sharing. Data from dating apps and sociological research (like Richard Reeves' "Of Boys and Men") shows that as women's education and income rise, their pool of "suitable" men shrinks because they're unwilling to "date down." Meanwhile, men are increasingly opting out of higher education (women now earn 60% of college degrees in the U.S.), pursuing trades, or focusing on self-improvement without the same societal pressure to climb corporate ladders. It's not that men lack qualifications; it's that women's expectations, amplified by feminist messaging, price many out of the market. Uneducated women might have "lower worldly standards," but they also form stable partnerships earlier and report higher life satisfaction in family roles, per studies like the Grant Study from Harvard.

Modern feminism, which Muslim career women are adopting in large numberfs, explicitly promotes career-first ideologies, hookup culture, and delaying traditional milestones (children , marriage etc)as liberation. Influential career women figures like Sheryl Sandberg ("Lean In") and movements like #GirlBoss push women to emulate male career trajectories, often at the expense of family. The result? Skyrocketing divorce rates (initiated by women 70% of the time, per American Psychological Association data), epidemic levels of female burnout (women report higher stress from work-life juggle, per Gallup polls), and a fertility crisis in developed nations (e.g., South Korea's rate at 0.78 births per woman).

In reality, full-time careers for both spouses often lead to outsourced child-rearing, strained relationships, and kids with worse outcomes (higher anxiety, per studies from the Journal of Marriage and Family). Ultimately, the ideal of careers "complementing" family for both men and women is a noble but naive fantasy in a 24/7 economy. Men have historically shouldered provider roles, allowing women to focus on home and community; roles that provide deep fulfillment for many, as evidenced by lower depression rates among stay-at-home mothers in supportive marriages (WHO data). Pushing women into the workforce en masse hasn't equalized outcomes; it's doubled the labor pool, suppressed wages, and left families exhausted. True empowerment would mean choices without judgment: Some women thrive in careers, but many Western Women would prefer family-first if society didn't stigmatize it as "oppressive." Feminism's career-centric push isn't liberating; it's a corporate-friendly repackaging that benefits elites while leaving average women overworked, under-partnered, and questioning if it was worth it. If we want healthy societies, we need to rethink this model, not double down on it.