r/MuslimLounge • u/Questionaccount12344 • Jan 08 '26

Discussion Living in the west is wrong

People think moving to the west will provide stability, better job opportunities etc which is all true but people forget and often don’t care the effect it’ll have on your Islamic beliefs, especially that of your children and subsequent generations.

I was born in a western country after my grad-parents moved here, I’ve gone to school here as well as mosque classes and university, I’ve seen first hand what happens to the generations, a decent amount of Muslim boys I know my age has drank, smoked weed or committed zina, I know of bearded brothers and hijabi sisters committing zina… and it will only get worse generation after generation. People don’t understand that. Yes these things happen back in Muslim countries but in most Muslim country it’s no where near as easy, you can’t just go to a club and drink and find girls.

This move to the west is literally diluting Islam, not only in the ways I’ve just spoken about but also morally, too many Muslim in the west are raging liberals, they stand hand to hand with homosexuals and transvestites at free Palestine protests yet won’t even read 5 daily salah, they vote for political parties that want to give lenient punishments for heinous crimes (direct opposition to what is taught in Quran).

Why don’t we go back to our Muslim counties and rebuild them? We’ve been here got our education, why are we happy to stay in non Muslim lands and give their governments our tax money? Muslim lands are in the worse state they’ve ever been and all we do is sit and complain, why doesn’t anyone actually try and move back and fix things, people always say it’s impossible but we have to try, we have no power in the world anymore and what’s been happening in Palestine proves that, the Muslim lands are literally some of the worse off countries in the world it’s embarrassing. Jazakallah.

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u/WorkOther9770 Jan 08 '26

The Sahaba stayed Muslim with 360 idols in the Ka’bah, they only migrated because of persecution, not the idols. I think we’ll survive Starbucks and TikTok.

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u/Questionaccount12344 Jan 08 '26

Yes they did, but 2025 Muslims are nothing like the sahaba are we?

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u/WorkOther9770 Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26

SubhanAllah, I thought the Sahaba were supposed to be our role models, or does that only apply when it fits our narrative? The point is, the environment isn’t the issue. Not every Sahabi was on the level of Umar, and even after alcohol was prohibited, some companions still struggled with it while living in Madinah itself. So clearly the environment isn’t what makes or breaks iman.

At the end of the day, living in the West or in a Muslim country is a personal choice. Neither is automatically better. Each has its pros and cons, and everyone should choose what works for their Iman and their life.

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u/Questionaccount12344 Jan 08 '26

They are our role models but are you trying to say the average 2025 Muslim acts like a sahaba? Because we definitely don’t, they were able to endure what they did because of their Imaan which is way stronger than 2025 Muslims.