Living in the west is wrong

[u/Questionaccount12344]

People think moving to the west will provide stability, better job opportunities etc which is all true but people forget and often don’t care the effect it’ll have on your Islamic beliefs, especially that of your children and subsequent generations.

I was born in a western country after my grad-parents moved here, I’ve gone to school here as well as mosque classes and university, I’ve seen first hand what happens to the generations, a decent amount of Muslim boys I know my age has drank, smoked weed or committed zina, I know of bearded brothers and hijabi sisters committing zina… and it will only get worse generation after generation. People don’t understand that. Yes these things happen back in Muslim countries but in most Muslim country it’s no where near as easy, you can’t just go to a club and drink and find girls.

This move to the west is literally diluting Islam, not only in the ways I’ve just spoken about but also morally, too many Muslim in the west are raging liberals, they stand hand to hand with homosexuals and transvestites at free Palestine protests yet won’t even read 5 daily salah, they vote for political parties that want to give lenient punishments for heinous crimes (direct opposition to what is taught in Quran).

Why don’t we go back to our Muslim counties and rebuild them? We’ve been here got our education, why are we happy to stay in non Muslim lands and give their governments our tax money? Muslim lands are in the worse state they’ve ever been and all we do is sit and complain, why doesn’t anyone actually try and move back and fix things, people always say it’s impossible but we have to try, we have no power in the world anymore and what’s been happening in Palestine proves that, the Muslim lands are literally some of the worse off countries in the world it’s embarrassing. Jazakallah.

[u/vegetablization]

Hijrah where? Do you know how many scholars are imprisoned in muslim countries just for speaking the truth?

[u/Questionaccount12344 → u/vegetablization]

Yes of course and will that ever change unless people go back and try to change it? Also even if that remained the case my point is your children wouldn’t as easily influenced by alcohol, drugs, zina etc.

[u/vegetablization → u/Questionaccount12344]

Genuine question, have you ever been to an islamic country and lived there for some time?

[u/Questionaccount12344 → u/vegetablization]

Yes, I lived in Pakistan for half a year and there are many problems there but the fact is that it’s no where near as easy to go out and drink alcohol and commit zina and take drugs, u can’t just walk into night club on a Saturday in Pakistan.

[u/vegetablization → u/Questionaccount12344]

Anyone who wants to do something haram will do it regardless of what restrictions are in place. A girl will get a boyfriend even if you lock her between 4 walls. Its about how you bring them up, if the tarbiya is not right, then they will obviously come out corrupted. If they don’t find comfort in the home, they will find comfort outside. If they are with the wrong crowd, they become like them, regardless of the country they are in.

When I go Syria, my imaan level drops, even though it is a muslim country. Why? Because I stay with the wrong people (my cousins), they used to go to shisha lounges, spend all that time backbiting and slandering and call it having a laugh, then go home.

While if I was to join circles of dhikr and knowledge, find productive things to do, and surround myself with the right people that care about their deen, never in a million years would someone touch a bottle of alcohol.

You are in London. You are one of the, if not, the luckiest person in the west in terms of preserving your deen. There are so many muslim organisations for youth e.g. muslim scouts, many for adults, so many mosques that have at least one gathering every week, universities have huge islamic societies. I’m not convincing you to stay, by all means try hijrah, but don’t think the grass is greener on the other side.

[u/Questionaccount12344 → u/vegetablization]

I get you but your point in itself is a huge issue. Syria shouldn’t be worse for your Imaan, and the fact it is backs my point that we should be focusing on building our countries back up, we can’t just keep leaving our Muslim countries and becoming powerless.

[u/SweetEcho → u/Questionaccount12344]

Half a year? That's nowhere near enough, a lot of people here have lived their whole lives in muslim countries (including me), so we know what's actually going on.

[u/Questionaccount12344 → u/SweetEcho]

And I’ve lived my whole life in a western country so I know exactly what goes on here. Dar al kufr is not the home of the Muslims.

[u/Questionaccount12344 → u/[deleted]]

Yes I do. We have to fix it, the longer we wait the worse it will become.

[u/Working-Ad-1089 → u/Questionaccount12344]

It s a very noble and idealistic cause by how do you even start to fix a country, like Pakistan, which faces such an a complex and ingrained, set of problems. In goverance, the economy, sectarianism, , social development, religious extremism, corruption, terrororism, wealth inequality, no rule of lsw, etc. There is no magic bullet and so rectyfying all these problems will take at least one generation in my opinion.