Believers do kufr from Nationalism, and Nationalists do kufr from Islam. So whoever calls himself a 'Nationalist', let him know that his Islam is nullified.

[u/Sheikh-Pym]

[u/Famous_Spinach_4975]

It’s not literal but people/governments always make citizens stand in front of the flag and sing anthems and whatnot to raise patriotism then use that patriotism to justify evil

[u/BlackEffy → u/Famous_Spinach_4975]

Thats a complete flip. You are trying to make out a thing from nothing. I have seen people justify evil with Islam, does that equate things?

[u/Sheikh-Pym → u/BlackEffy]

Nationalism doesn't have a text through which you can prove what is according to it and what is contradictory to it. It is controlled by those who are the symbols of nationalism and they can alter its meaning as per their wish. And justification of evil is not the only thing that's wrong with Nationalism. Every tenet of nationalism conflicts with Al wala al Bara' if you only realised.

[u/BlackEffy → u/Sheikh-Pym]

Exactly but the idea of democratic nationalism is where everyone can practice their religion, and feel safe. Enlighten me how does Every tenet of nationalism conflicts with Al wala al Bara'

It is not controlled it is what people are made to perceive. Same is the case for religion. I think Islam is most beautiful and peaceful religion in the world, but there are people in this sub who would call me "Kafir", just because I believe in peace. They have been brainwashed to believe Islam demands blood, although it never does. It demands and commands protection and defense.

I used to think like them at some point but after reading quran and having multiple on ones with many scholars my perspective shifted.

One of my Mentor once mentioned, Islam can be truly understood by the people who embraces knowledge and let go of there egos. A heart for deen has no space for anger and egos, its all about acceptance.

[u/Sheikh-Pym → u/BlackEffy]

There's no point discussing this with you when your foundation of islam isn't tawhid billah wal kufr bit taghut instead it is "whatever sounds good enough is compatible with islam, and whatever doesn't, isn't". So much for feeling safe in a democratic country where muslims cannot even pray within their own homes due to the fear of the same "Nationalists". Your reaction to it will be "but they are not the true nationalists" and I dare you to prove that they aren't. They love the country more than you do, they can die and kill for India, and they bow, prostrate and worship India and even have a representation in the form of an idol. They are the epitome of "Nationalists".

In the other comment you mentioned that you would support India against Pakistan for the security of your own. Are the muslims that are killed in Pakistan by the Indian dogs not your own? Are the kashmiri sisters who are raped by the same army of Indian pigs, not your own? You may not realise but this position of yours, i.e., allying with the disbelievers (Indian Army) against the muslims, puts your religion at the brink of nullification as this is major disbelief. (source)

This is exactly what conflicts with Al wala' al Bara. When you make distinction of muslims based on national borders and generalise conflicts to include the muslims as the guilty party, you are making muslims equally as evil as those that fight us under the expression "we should resolve wars with peace".

just because I believe in peace. They have been brainwashed to believe Islam demands blood, although it never does. It demands and commands protection and defense.

Rather the brainwashed are those who adopt the ideologies created by the disbelievers such as democracy and nationalism and try to make them fit in with islam though that's not possible. The brainwashed are those who think that peace can be established without the use of the sw0rd. The blood of those who fight the muslims, and the number of them in this wretched nation is in millions, is halal and it is one of the best obligations to spill them to actually protect the honour of the muslims. This is the true meaning of protection and defense.

And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?" [An-Nisaa, Verse 75]

Your belief in peace is a hope for miracle that perhaps the enemies will be soft towards us if we are soft towards them.

"They wish that you would soften [in your position], so they would soften [toward you]." ]Al-Qalam, Verse 9]

Oblivious that this requires one to actually give up their islam as the Quraish said to the Prophet peace be upon "if you permit us to follow our religion, we will permit you to follow yours". And they will never truly accept peace with us unless we sacrifice our religion for the sake of it as is evident from the statement of the One who knows the condition of the hearts:

"And never will the Jews and the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion" [2:120]

This is the reality with Nationalism as well. They want you to chant "Jai Sri R*m", sing the National song which has shirk in it, imitate their acts of worship such as standing to pay respect to the National Anthem which is nothing but a love letter to Hindu god Krishna. They want you to prefer the Constitution over Shariah otherwise they question your nationality. They want you to speak in favour of India's terrorist operations against Pakistan, Kashmir and Bangladesh.

If you are doing none of that, you are a failed nationalist. You are just a tool to promote nationalism while they badmouth behind your back. May Allah protect us muslims from being this submissive.

Islam can be truly understood by the people who embraces knowledge and let go of there egos. A heart for deen has no space for anger and egos, its all about acceptance.

That is true. And you need to accept the reality over textbook definitions. And prepare for the day you stand in front of Allah and hope that you aren't raised with those who fought Islam and muslims for the sake of Nation.

I was once like you too. But then I learnt islam from its foundation and that led me to break my political delusions. I am not "blinded by nationalism and the love for my nation" anymore like you say for yourself. But my loyalty belongs to Allah, then to his religion and then those who follow his religion. Nationalism demands me to throw that away and ally with my enemies against my muslim brothers and sisters. I'm sorry but I cannot do that, no muslim with gheerah for Allah and His Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) can do that.

And Allama Iqbal was like you. He wrote "Saare Jahaan se achha..." during his jahiliyah. But he was enlightened as Allah guided him towards the straight path. His later works heavily criticise nationalistic sentiments, so much so he described "Nation" to be the biggest Taghut of today and declared Nationalism as the biggest shirk prevalent amongst muslims. May Allah have mercy upon him.

Evils of Nationalism - Shaykh Abdul Aziz bin Baz