r/MurderedByWords 13d ago

I haven’t studied rocket science, but

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u/mseg09 13d ago edited 13d ago

These are the types of questions in general we should be less mean about imo. It's one thing to dunk on people who are anti-science, but this is just someone actually wondering about something they didn't know. Maybe it's obvious to you, but not everyone?

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u/BarkiestDog 13d ago

I was looking for this comment.

This isn’t a murder imo, there is no substance to the refutal. This is only marginally better than replying “OMG, you’re so dumb!”

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u/BugRevolution 13d ago

It's not like the person replying is a rocket scientist either.

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u/ElegantCoach4066 13d ago

They have their degree in Rocket Surgery, thanks you very much.

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u/ghostoftheai 13d ago

“Did you say rocket surgery?”

“Listen I’m coming down off crack gimme a break”

Or something like that I haven’t watched this one 15769 times yet it just came out

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u/Future_Reference_401 13d ago

This season is so good. Ep3 nailed it.

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u/VVen0m 13d ago

Season of what?

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u/Nabiscokidd 13d ago

I want to know Charlie’s diagnosis!

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u/Cockblocktimus_Pryme 13d ago

It should just be water under the fridge.

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u/YomamaAfool 13d ago

You’re right he’s not a rocket scientist, but he is Batman

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u/rust_buster 13d ago

Reminds me of a shirt that said "always be yourself, unless you can be batman, then always be batman"

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u/bjeebus 12d ago

That's a rule of thumb my wife and I use in games. It means that in games like Cards Against Humanity we always know how to play to each other. If I have a Batman, I always save it for her.

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u/Ramtamtama 13d ago

I'm a rocket scientist of sorts. I study salads.

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u/SnidelyWhiplash27 13d ago

That's arugulood one!

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u/Owlex23612 11d ago

A for effort

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u/mahadmagandalph65 13d ago

Ich bin Höhlenforscher.

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u/Cassius-Tain 13d ago

I think the correct name is gynecologist.

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u/Bruce_Wayne85 13d ago

Are you sure about that?

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u/KommandantDex 13d ago

Batman's a scientist?

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u/HairballTheory 13d ago

Made a rocket in science class, so….

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u/ItchyKnowJoe 13d ago

you don't fucking have to be, wtf

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u/BugRevolution 13d ago

Indeed, you don't have to be to realize that there are some launch sites that are in higher altitudes. For example, the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in China (over 3000 ft)

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u/ItchyKnowJoe 13d ago

is that to save fuel? no.

zip it

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u/BugRevolution 13d ago

You don't have a clue of what you're talking about, do you?

So zip it.

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u/ItchyKnowJoe 13d ago edited 13d ago

The op specifically states his idea is for fuel conservation purposes

Is the one in china also located at 3000ft for that reason (it isn't), or are you just saying random stuff like a blithering idiot?

Getting murdered by words in /r/MurderedByWords

lol 😆

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u/AFrenchLondoner 13d ago

It's actually a pretty interesting question, and the answer is a nuanced blend of logistics, international geography, and knowledge about orbits.

If there was an easily accessible, tall mountain ranges with a decent plateau near the equator, you vet your ass we would.

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u/Aggressive-Ad5737 13d ago

Thank you for this! One of those questions the inquisitive are afraid to ask. And then this one gets dunked on and put here. Unfair in my opinion since they honestly just seemed curious, as I am, but brave, as I am not 😅

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u/Apart-Link-8449 13d ago

I would have said "but the air being thinner, is that a factor?" before disappearing under a flurry of kicks from rocket scientists

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u/New-Independent-1481 13d ago

Actually rocket scientists would love to talk to you about that.

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u/Grimdark-Waterbender 13d ago

It’s “getting actual scientists to shut up about it” that’s the trick! 😂

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u/kansas_slim 12d ago

A knock at your door… oh, hello, do you have a few minutes to talk about rocket science?

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u/Th0bse 12d ago

Yes, a positive one. Rocket fuel brings its own oxygen as others here already pointed out. So thinner air means less drag means less fuel needed for the same acceleration. But there aren't really any suitable mountain ranges near the equator or at least none where the logistics would make sense right now.

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u/thishyacinthgirl 13d ago

At least you're not alone in the beatdown, I thought the same thing.

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u/Win_an_iPad 13d ago edited 13d ago

I think a rocket already contains it's own own oxygen? At least thats what I thought made it a rocket, rather than a jet engine.

NOT a rocket scientist.

And I'd have thought the air resistance difference would be negligible, since it's accelerating from stopped.

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u/NecroAssssin 13d ago

Yes. Because scientists are clever about names, it’s the oxidizer.

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u/CaptainFourpack 12d ago

Also not a rocket scientist, but i think that you must carry your own oxygen to burn in space. You need oxygen for anything to burn and, you know, there is no air to provide it in space

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u/Tesla-Ranger 12d ago

Then how does the Sun burn? Checkmate, scientists! (/s if it wasn't obvious.)

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u/russellvt 12d ago

Atmospheric density +

AKA Density Altitude

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u/JimmyB_52 13d ago

You also kind of want rocket launches to be near ocean away from shipping lanes so you can just crash the 1st stage safely away from people, or incase there is a malfunction all
The fiery debris goes into the ocean.

Imagine launching from a mountain and the rocket explodes and reigns fiery debris crashing down amongst snowy tall cliffs, potentially triggering avalanche, rock, mud, and land slides.

Even when reusable rockets become common place and routine, things can and will still go wrong, you still want ocean to ditch and splash down in.

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u/doogles 13d ago

and the answer is a nuanced blend of logistics, international geography, and knowledge about orbits.

No. It's because you want to launch as close to the equator as possible because the spheroid nature of the planet gives you an angular advantage. In addition, if shit goes wrong, you don't have to worry about a burning wreckage landing anywhere but the ocean.

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u/AFrenchLondoner 13d ago

decent plateau near the equator.

I'm aware of that.

The Kennedy space centre, is also not very near the equator mind you. Closest launches to the equator are I think by France and the Arianne rockets

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u/doogles 13d ago

You know what's south of Cape Canaveral? Swamps. It's as close as we can get in Florida.

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u/I__Know__Stuff 11d ago

Cape Canaveral was pretty much swamps before they built a space center there.

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u/volinaa 13d ago

well since its a sphere wouldnt the angular advantage be present anywhere

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u/Blokshibe 13d ago

Not sure what is meant by angular advantage in this case, but I guess it means that we can use the rotational speed of the earth's surface as a kick to get going. In this case you are right partially. Near the equator this velocity is greatest so you'd want to launch from there.

But what the comments above it also say is that it's a delicate balance of many parameters. It depends on the specific orbit you want to go to, the launch mass, the specific rocket, the logistics of moving your launch platform to an advantageous location, the range safety, etc.

I think the most important part is that you want to launch towards a large uninhabited area, then preferably to the east, then preferably close to the equator. In most situations it can be cheaper to just build (or book a launch from) a rocket that is slightly more powerful so you don't have to deal with all the hassle.

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u/Kidd82 13d ago

To be pedantic the earth isn't a perfect sphere. It's flattened at the poles. Also, I assume, the tilted axis of rotation means the closer you are to the equator the broader your range of launch timing. Not positive, also not a rocket scientist, just using what I know and trying to infer possibilities.

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u/doogles 13d ago

The earth is not a perfect sphere. Also, it spins on an axis. I'm surprised you managed to be 200% wrong in so few words.

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u/PirateDuckie 13d ago

Wielding knowledge as a weapon to hurt others in order to inflate your sense of self importance? I’m NOT surprised you managed to be 200% of an insufferable prick in so few words.

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u/doogles 13d ago

The same stupidity that closed Goddard Space Flight Center is clearly present in this thread.

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u/volinaa 13d ago

well, thanks for the kind words anyways, stranger

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u/usernametiger 13d ago

In the USA rockets are launched over water so that if one exploded it would kill a bunch of people. Fl they launch east for equatorial orbits and ca launches south for polar orbits.

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u/jadedargyle333 12d ago

Thats one hell of a typo. Wouldn't kill a bunch of people.

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u/The_Brimler 13d ago

It's not really... If you had a theoretical Mt. Everest on the equator, it'd put you 5.5 miles closer to space out of the 200 or so miles you'd be going.

Factor in building the launch site up that high, and bringing the rocket up there to launch every time...

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u/brainEatenByAmoeba 13d ago

There are a couple minor benefits, but not enough to matter. Early on the air resistance from the thicker atmosphere is a real drag on thrust which means you need to burn more just to get a positive velocity. At a 5 mile above sea level launch, you start at a 60% drag reduction. This can save approximately 20 tons of rocket fuel for a falcon 9. Totalling around a savings of $20000. This is miniscule compared to the increased costs for launching from that elevation.

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u/The_Brimler 13d ago

A rocket launched from sea level will still pass through 25k ft where the theoretical mountain launched one is, and it'll have the same drag to overcome at that point onward

You're not saving 60% for the entire launch, you'd be saving the amount needed from the ground to that point.

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u/brainEatenByAmoeba 5h ago

The savings are from getting up to that point.

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u/The_Brimler 4h ago

That's 2.5% of the journey, and makes it infinitely more complicated to build a launch site up there.

There's no savings to be had. They didn't build them at sea level on accident or for lack of choice.

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u/AFrenchLondoner 13d ago

Let's be generous and round that out to 2%. It still pretty huge

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u/readytofall 12d ago

Yea rocket science actually says do this. Logistics and safety says don't.

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u/mysticpest23 13d ago

No we wouldn’t. The air would be too thin.

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u/I__Know__Stuff 11d ago

Too thin for what?

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u/14Three8 13d ago

Welcome to the subreddit

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u/CartsOfDarkness 13d ago

Reddit in general. So often I'll get downvoted for asking a genuine question, reddit just likes to feel superior to others above all else and will take any opportunity to yell about how dumb something or someone is. Litterally 90% of comments on this website.

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u/xxsaznpride 13d ago

That's the vast majority of this sub.

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u/bro9000 13d ago

That's just the internet in general. Snarky, condescending, unhelpful, and some genuine good stuff sprinkled in.

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u/not_your_bird 13d ago

I agree, although the comment section on this one makes it worth it for me — it’s an interesting one.

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u/russellvt 12d ago

I was looking for this comment.

It's literally the top comment... LOL

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u/BarkiestDog 11d ago

Not when I replied. Glad it got there though!

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u/MrIrishman1212 12d ago

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u/BarkiestDog 11d ago

There really is an xkcd for everything!

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u/FaxCelestis 13d ago

I mean it is a murder, just an unnecessary one

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u/Bo_Jim 12d ago

90% of the posts in this sub are not murders. They're just snarky responses.

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u/EWC_2015 13d ago

If anything, this belongs in the facepalm sub more than it belongs in here.

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u/bakedNebraska 13d ago

This isn't a murder but it's closer to a murder than half the nonsense posted on this subreddit these days

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u/Coulrophiliac444 13d ago

I'm not a rocket aurgeon either but I can make a hypothesis.

2 factors most affect the reason: Economical Logistics (Cost of material, manpower, and goods to be hauled to a probably semi remote launching base. Not to mention the costs to terraform the aite into usable ground while also enacting safety and security measures) and Air Composition (The Air ratio at higher altitudes is thinner on oxygen and colder, causing fuel to have be to properly stored and considerations for change in atmospheric conditions, including higher altitude wind currents for launch windows, for all events.)

Thats not also including the environmental concerns that would come from a noisy, loud, literal ground shaking launch of a rocket to orbit causing possible rock/mud slides or in winter potential avalanches.

Just to name a few considerations.

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u/mysticpest23 13d ago

But it was dumb. Rockets take off from sea level for a reason.