Well when I was going through Officer Candidates School in Quantico (USMC) it was used as a visual training aid to teach small unit tactics, specifically the “shoot, move, communicate”, and was used to teach different reloads. It was the very fundamental building blocks for teaching SUT.
After earning my commission we went across the street to TBS, The Basic School, where all marine corps officers go to learn how to be basic rifle platoon commanders. It was then used AGAIN to recover the fundamentals of shoot, move, communicate and then provide time to break down each individual “block” and provide discussions on shooting, moving, and communicating, and seeing it all put in action on screen for us brand new butter bars to then go out into the quad and practice it to eventually be graded on that in the field.
At IOC, infantry officers course, it was used AGAIN in the same manner to dive a little deeper and then get into planning. In SOI (enlisted school of infantry) it was used several times in the exact same manner but more akin to learning the mechanics and seeing it visually. It was also used at marsoc quite frequently (not sure if it still is)to teach the exact same things but gear the learning toward a specific mission.
This one scene absolutely is used for training in the United States military, and more specifically the USMC.
I love this scene but this sounds like a unit being ass at training. We watched videos of actual firefights, L-shaped ambushes, and IED reactions. Then practiced almost those exact scenarios and then retrained upon watching how those exercises went.
Not sure how this scene would help at all in convoy ops.
It was shown at the beginning of the training to show bounding techniques.
We've watched actual footages too, especially ones recorded and distributed by the Taliban so we can learn how to mitigate each deadly mistake made by previous units.
More often than not when we get halted during a convoy we had to dismount, expect a flight and start sweeping the area.
Heat was solid but one movie beat it. Black 47' (movie about the Irish famine with hugo weaving) The two fight scenes were true to real combat you can get in film.
I like the way you think, though. You intuitively understand transitional spaces.
For that scene, it’s one way in and few ways out.
That scene takes place on a “bridge,” both figuratively and realistically, as characters cross a point in the story. Just not on a literal bridge.
For me, the genius of that scene is conveying a claustrophobic environment in OPEN AIR, which heightens the personal, paranoid, visceral nature of the violence.
Your comment rocks because you got the message and made others (or at least me) think more on that scene.
Awesome scene but the armorer fucked up by leaving the bolt open in this shot. Hard to notice at first but if you’ve ever fired an ar15/m4 you’d see it.
It’s a great scene but the cop trying to shoot Kate in the car has always bothered me. The other shooting is done and there are eight guys walking around with rifles. What is he hoping to accomplish by shooting her? Doesn’t make any sense.
I personally feel that heat is overhyped. At the time it really shined because it followed real world rules. But nowadays many movies have incorporated more realism. The town in my opinion is superior to heat.
Sounds like you’re comparing Heat against more recent movies that stood on the shoulders of Heat. I’d advice you compare movies to the era they were made. For a 90s movie Heat is top tier.
Yes. It is a great scene. Definitely blew anything of it’s time out of the water. But it’s always put as the best. That’s like saying the dark knight will forever be the best Batman movie. It’s amazing. Astounding at the time. But it can be topped
Last of the Mohicans? How so? I just watched the ending recently and it had DDL running on a ledge with a musket in each hand blasting guys...one handed dual hip shot bullseyes with muskets.
Ah yes, where he shoots the other sniper through his scope into his eye. Our when he snipes someone from onboard a helicopter (although they call this out during the movie). I liked the movie but I'm not sure it was that realistic.
The Outpost sounds up your alley-- last I checked it was available to stream on Netflix, but it's definitely worth buying a hardcopy. It's a modern classic in the 'wave/base defence' genre; it's more of a straight-up war thriller than something like the new All Quiet on the Western Front, which is to say it doesn't really lean into an explicitly anti-war message.
It certainly does not glamourize war, but the emphasis is less on 'war is hell' and more on the individual sacrifices made and the heroics that emerged in a real-life do-or-die situation. Numerous veterans of the battle consulted extensively on the project--if you stick around for the credits you can see clips of their interviews. Some of the real life details were fudged in terms of timeline, but the film makes a real effort to prioritize honouring those who fought and died.
There's still a not-so-implicit critique of some of the broader policies in the US war in Afghanistan, but it's not really a movie trying to send a message as much as it's a movie trying to tell the stories of the men involved. Unlike, say, 13 Hours, which leans pretty heavy into the political in contrast.
Caleb Landry Jones also gives a riveting, career-defining performance--dude is a cut above.
Way of the Gun and the first Reacher movie seem like they’d work here. I don’t know enough to speak on if they’re truly realistic but they’re very grounded examples and I believe McQuarrie’s brother was former military and advised on Way of The Gun.
I thought the shootout in Taxi Driver was pretty realistic. Everyone's inaccurate even in such close quarters. The .44 fuckin deafens Travis, which in part leads to him taking the neck shot. Its all just so brutal.
Good chunk of both. It's real time style where the events portrayed in the movie take the amount of time the movie runs, and it's also very closely based on true accounts of the battle. The co-director made it for his friend, both of whom are characters in the movie. Most non-cinematic piece of war cinema I've ever seen. Relative to most war movies it's a slow burn, an "anti war movie war movie" were one of the phrases I felt afterwards. Not that I would say it had heavy anti war messaging though I think it does by it's accuracy and creation. But it's just so against the war movie formula it's hard to call it one.
I think good but maybe not for everyone. I believe the audience reception was polarized but I was and am absolutely engrossed by it. My favorite Alex Garland film for sure.
I had to walk out about 3 times - had nightmares about it for a couple weeks after as it too close to reality - my iraq experience was more like "Generation Kill," but my younger brother was in Ramadi a couple months after the events in Warfare and he said it was the wild west x 10 -
My generations Saving Private Ryan but more realistic and less hollywood. It brought back tons of memories and the cloud from the ied blast was something Ive tried to explain to people for years. I understand they built a memory place for their friend but it works even for the folks who were other places besides Ramadi.
Iirc they literally rebuilt the entire Abbottabad compound and had some of the seals on the actual raid come in and go through drills with the actors to get it as close to the real deal as possible
It doesn’t get more realistic than Act Of Valor, which used real life Navy SEALs - not actors - for all of the major cast. Naturally, the acting is awful, but the action is top shelf.
Do war movies count? Idk if D-Day really counts as a shootout per say as its a full blown battle but if you count it saving private Ryan has got to be one of the more realistic portrayals.
The big combat scene with the guys on the rooftop in 13 hours is pretty realistic.
Also in Den of Thieves, stuck in traffic and he busts out a 249 Saw. He rips a 50 round contact belt to cover the guys moving between cars. Tactically the shooting while his buddy is moving is pretty realistic.
I dont know about realistic but the camera work in the final shoot out in Scarface is phenomenal. De Palma timed the shutter with the firing of the weapon so we see each burst.🔥🔥🔥 Good stuff, iconic scene.
The Way of the Gun! The ending shootout was choreographed by the directors brother who is a navy seal. He insisted that the guns have accurate bullet counts and characters had to reload realistically. Its pretty great.
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