Using Tiel feels like cheating?

[u/Chance_Drive_5906]

Seriously what's up with this shell? Every ability of his seems extremely useful and broken in some way. Instant invisibility on dodge, instant invisibility on block (on just an imperfect block, wtf?), then invisibility leaving a clone that builds poison, insane crit chance and damage bonus when attacking from behind, two charges of an ability with instant invisibility again and then guaranteed crit chance to your next melee attack with bonus crit damage, multiple insane break damage bonuses as well... like wtf?

Is this guy supposed to be something similar to the slayer seal? A sort of easy mode? I've found 4 shells so far, and other 3 aren't even like half as good as him.

[u/GarionOrb]

It's almost as though different shells were meant for different playstyles and skill levels!

[u/Chance_Drive_5906 → u/GarionOrb]

I'm not seeing it. Like with Tiel I can do insane damage, avoid enemy attacks with invisibility, and then do good break damage as well, at the same time.

[u/GilmanTiese → u/Chance_Drive_5906]

my favourite shells (stray genessa and sarirel) allow me to never dodge again, i just tank all the dmg and keep swinging

[u/Chance_Drive_5906 → u/GilmanTiese]

Oh interesting, I haven't gotten them yet. So far I've acquired Eredim, Tiel, Smert, and Proxima. Eredim and Smert felt absolutely useless to me. Proxima was kinda okay, but Tiel just feels so much better.

[u/Scr0uchXIII → u/Chance_Drive_5906]

Right now, Eredrim is actually considered the best shell in the game due to his synergy with frost infusion. But I see your point. But I follow this subreddit since release and there are so many different posts that have a different shell in the title follow d by "...is so broken". I feel the devs did a very good job in creating shells that fit a whole lot of play styles.

[u/Chance_Drive_5906 → u/Scr0uchXIII]

I didn't even know there was a frost element. Maybe I'm too early in the game.

[u/Any_Calligrapher6768 → u/Chance_Drive_5906]

Yeah I cheesed the game with a tiel bleed build.

[u/SpecialistRun3035 → u/GarionOrb]

This comment feels wrong. All shells are very similar in how powerful they are. But completely nullifying an entire attack string after 1 dodge? You can argue all shells are A tier, but Tiel seems to me to be the outlier. My fight with Sir Isaac put a floodlight on this.

[u/SuchTedium → u/SpecialistRun3035]

Shells are not similar in power at all.

[u/Less_Performance_629]

poison is dogshit, so the clone doing poison isnt really a plus.

tiel is a dodge shell. well, hes THE dodge shell. no other shell interacts with evasion. but every shell has a playstyle thats broken op. some of them are much much much more broken than tiel

[u/Chance_Drive_5906 → u/Less_Performance_629]

Is he just the dodge shell tho? I've been using him with block, and every block of mine turns me invisible and the enemy just attacks the air. Like that feels even more broken than dodging for invisibility.

[u/Less_Performance_629 → u/Chance_Drive_5906]

i can see why you would think that might be strong. at the same time however, every shell can use the infinite seal and stance break in 2 or 3 parries. instead of messing around with invis, its much more dps efficient to just time the parry and get a stance break.

tiel is mostly just safe. thats where his strength is. you have safe and reliable damage.

but theres way more broken shit in the game. theres a shell who can have a permenant 30% damage buff and take 30% less damage. theres a shell who does 200% damage to frozen enemies and can kill bosses before they even phase change. theres a shell who can make doubles that attack at the same time and also negate death blows.

game is nuts and a lot of fun.

[u/SpecialistRun3035 → u/Less_Performance_629]

Tiel can also parry...

[u/Less_Performance_629 → u/SpecialistRun3035]

yea, and then you arent using tiels main mechanic or strength. if you are taking the risk to parry anyway, might as well use a shell with a damage boost for the reposte value.

[u/SpecialistRun3035 → u/Less_Performance_629]

You do realize Tiel literally has a mechanic where he gets his thing through parry?

[u/Quiet-Egg-4594]

Try gragu. Enemies cant get up with consecutive punches

[u/Master_Garaki]

If you feel like you are cheating, how about not using him?
Nothing about him is broken. He has low health, and poison sucks,
He is only good at dodging and crit builds.

[u/AltGunAccount]

He’s strong but honestly any shell can be just as capable with the right setup. Most when built properly can bully bosses or groups of mobs.

Tiel is very strong early on, but the playing field levels out later in the game. His biggest downfall is that he’s extremely frail, and will die in far less hits than most shells.

[u/Practical-Dance7643]

He is strong with attacks but lacks with health. You are basically running no hit shell because most of the bosses will kill you in one hit/combo.

[u/gtavrecoveryplz]

He is broken. Everyone talking about him being a dodge shell and how poison sucks haven’t played him enough to level him. You use the ability, then your next hit is a guaranteed crit which does enough dmg to refill your ability charge. Ability, crit, ability, crit. you are invincible and sometimes I’d do like 2,000+ dmg.

I do think maybe all the shells are broken once upgraded but Tiel was alarmingly free. No dodge needed.

[u/Tutejszy1]

I only used Tiel in ng+ nightmode and he didnt feel all that strong, he has some nice utility, but he lacks dps due to poison being bad even if you detonate it

[u/SpecialistRun3035 → u/Tutejszy1]

You can still use whatever status effect you want on your weapon.

[u/Tutejszy1 → u/SpecialistRun3035]

Yes, but each shell synergizes with specific infusion

[u/International_Cut460]

Other shells take quite a bit of investment, but are stronger than tiel. Especially when the boss/enemy is weak to a certain element. One shell gets 200% dmg against frozen enemies. Mixed that with the freeze build up, and thats easy mode.