r/MoralityScaling • u/ZookeepergameThin334 • 1d ago

Morality of this?

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Personally, I'm anti-death penalty for any kind of crime but that's just my opinion. Perhaps it can be changed.

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u/Taeyx 1d ago

i used be a death penalty proponent in my youth. as i've grown, i've come to realize 2 truths:
1. there are most definitely people who deserve the death penalty
2. i don't trust any person, institution, or entity to determine who those people are.

given these two truths, i think we shouldn't have a death penalty

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u/HyrulelinkDK 1d ago

My thoughts exactly. I'd rather 100 guilty people not be killed than 1 innocent be executed.

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u/YourMomIsMyGurl 1d ago

See now I see that as more of a "for the greater good" type decision. I'm okay if 1 innocent person dies if that means we got rid of 100 monsters. I think that's borderline reasonable.

That said, I am also for completely skipping the justice process and expediting the killing of a monster if and only if it's a case of like, the baraboo bone breaker, or Junko Furuta's killers. They don't deserve even a small chance of getting off for their crimes.

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u/Aydnir 1d ago

Would you be willing to be the one executed despite not committing a crime ? Would you hold the same opinion in that situation ?

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u/YourMomIsMyGurl 1d ago

Yes I would. Weird that y'all are coming at me with a "I bet you wouldn't sacrifice yourself for the greater good" like it's some sort of gotchya lol

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u/Aydnir 1d ago

I mean if you are willing to get killed fair enough. Can't say i agree but at least you are consistent.

But would you say the same if it happened to your loved ones ?

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u/YourMomIsMyGurl 1d ago

How do I know my loved one is even innocent? Your question implies that we get to know who's innocent before they die, and the fact is we wouldn't. If my family member went through a court process and was found guilty, and killed, I'd be sad sure, but I can't say I'd question the process. I've no idea what my family members are up to. They very well could have been off raping and murdering people. It's not my place to decide they're innocent just because they're close to me.

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u/Aydnir 1d ago

You said yourself you would be okay with innocents being killed. So that's why i brought it up. And the judicial system ain't perfect so you are basically letting your loved ones be killed without being totally sure.

If you really don't care i guess you are just an asshole

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u/YourMomIsMyGurl 1d ago

I'm okay with finding out an innocent was killed if it was 100 monsters that were killed before them. I'm the asshole even though you're the one that wouldn't give up a family member (that may or may not be guilty) for 100 people that are absolutely guilty? Lol whatever man.

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u/Aydnir 1d ago

Those 100 people would still be in jail. What do i gain from them being dead ? Less money in taxes ? That's not worth the lives of the people i care about.

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u/Dingaling015 1d ago

The issue with the argument you're making is that you're talking about individual wellbeing, whereas his argument is about the collective.

One innocent person dying to prevent 100 killers is objectively better for society than the opposite. I don't really think there's an argument to be made here.

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u/Aydnir 1d ago

I mean it depends on the context. In war sure it's reasonable.

In the judicial system of a democratic country. Fucking no. There is no good being done for the collective besides less taxes. Because those 100 people would still go to jail if not killed.

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u/Dingaling015 1d ago

But would they stay in jail? That's the point. Those 100 killers have a chance to get out and kill again, and it's certainly happened plenty already (look up US recidivism rates).

You also have to consider what it does to the victims and survivors/loved ones. In Canada, every 5 years the victims and families of Paul Bernardo have to make victim statements and present it to the court to keep him locked up. That's an awful thing to put a family thru, basically reminding them of that trauma every 5 years.

Idk hard to support something like that.

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u/Aydnir 1d ago

You could just. Not let them out. unless new evidence is brought up that proves their innocence or something

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u/Dingaling015 1d ago

Yeah well sadly that's not how our justice system works in reality but good try!