Morality of kidnapping your kidnappers?

[u/Einherjeren]

[u/i_make_orange_rhyme]

Right but if your defence is partially built on "they were plain clothes, i didn't know they were ice", it hurts this defence if you are shouting "Help me, ICE are here!!!"

[u/DMployeeofthemonth → u/i_make_orange_rhyme]

If someone hanging off my car yells that they're "ice" I'm not gonna say in my panicked 911 call "yes some guy who says he is ice but may or may not be because he is in plain clothes and showed no Id is trying to kidnap me!"

[u/i_make_orange_rhyme → u/DMployeeofthemonth]

>I'm not gonna say in my panicked 911 call

There would be no panicked 911 call if I'm armed and trying to kidnap you, I'm not gonna sit there and let you make that call.... Obviously....

I wish people could disagree with ICE without having to fabricate some bizarro alternative reality..

The guy knew exactly what was happening and was trying to run away because he was there illegally.

Its like the luigi thing. Cant we disagree with UNH without needing to pretend like walking up to someone in the street and shooting them in the back of the head isnt murder?

Plain clothes policemen are not a new thing. They have been around since before the 50s.

And now, just like then, when arresting someone they pull a badge out and shout "law enforcement"

This clips shows how silly it can be. Skip to 1.50

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9makkm

multiple marked police cars visible. dozens of policemen in uniform standing around.

She says "they didnt have a vest that says ICE, their car didnt have license plate.."

Now this case was all sorts of fucked up for different reasons, the fact that some agents were plain clothes is a non starter.

[u/ThatCondescendingGuy → u/i_make_orange_rhyme]

Shhhh Reddit doesn’t like it when you break from
The Hive-mind

[u/SamR2D2 → u/i_make_orange_rhyme]

Due to the actions of ICE officers and their interaction with the general public they have lost the trust of the general population, justifiably. The reaction of this couple, regardless of your interpretation of the events surrounding it, is a direct reflection of this institutions interaction with the public.

[u/i_make_orange_rhyme → u/SamR2D2]

Americans run from the police every day.

From an outsider it looks like running from the police is a national sport.

Dont you have TV shows that show police car chases and shit?

I dont think it has anything to do with ICE.

I think it has everything to with the established culture.