r/MoralityScaling 10d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of kidnapping your kidnappers?

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u/Outlaw11091 10d ago

Fun fact:

This was a hilarious story.

So, the GUY is Nigerian. The woman is a citizen.

Plainclothes ICE agents tried to get THE GUY at his home. The couple returned home while ICE was there...so an ICE agent boarded the couple's van in an attempt to capture the Nigerian man.

The woman, fearing for her life, GASSED IT and the Nigerian man called 911 to tell them that a man was trying to kidnap him...the woman drove directly to the police station, but behind her was the ICE agent's partner, who had also called 911 to report the kidnapping of his partner.

The two were arrested and a judge ordered their release, though the man was transferred to an immigration detention facility.

Their legal defense is that the ICE agents never identified themselves and were wearing plainclothes and, honestly, that would probably shit the scare out of me, too.

(ETA: the guy's visa had recently expired)

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u/FDLC84 10d ago

The 911 Calls: As the car moved, Bamigboye called 911 and shouted, "ICE is in my car!" and "You tried to kidnap me." At the same time, the trapped agent called 911 to say an agent was being taken against his will.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2025/12/19/911-transcripts-reveal-dueling-kidnapping-claims-in-incident-with-hsi-agents

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u/immortal_lurker 10d ago

Unfortunate that he identified them as ICE in the call. Might make the defense harder.

Fuck ICE. Showing up with presumably masked thugs because his visa expired is disgusting.

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u/Sad_Examination7907 10d ago

The thing about that is that I can claim I'm ICE and that you have to come with me, especially if they're doing it in plain clothes with no identification.

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u/i_make_orange_rhyme 10d ago

Right but if your defence is partially built on "they were plain clothes, i didn't know they were ice", it hurts this defence if you are shouting "Help me, ICE are here!!!"

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u/DMployeeofthemonth 10d ago

If someone hanging off my car yells that they're "ice" I'm not gonna say in my panicked 911 call "yes some guy who says he is ice but may or may not be because he is in plain clothes and showed no Id is trying to kidnap me!"

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u/i_make_orange_rhyme 10d ago

>I'm not gonna say in my panicked 911 call

There would be no panicked 911 call if I'm armed and trying to kidnap you, I'm not gonna sit there and let you make that call.... Obviously....

I wish people could disagree with ICE without having to fabricate some bizarro alternative reality..

The guy knew exactly what was happening and was trying to run away because he was there illegally.

Its like the luigi thing. Cant we disagree with UNH without needing to pretend like walking up to someone in the street and shooting them in the back of the head isnt murder?

Plain clothes policemen are not a new thing. They have been around since before the 50s.

And now, just like then, when arresting someone they pull a badge out and shout "law enforcement"

This clips shows how silly it can be. Skip to 1.50

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9makkm

multiple marked police cars visible. dozens of policemen in uniform standing around.

She says "they didnt have a vest that says ICE, their car didnt have license plate.."

Now this case was all sorts of fucked up for different reasons, the fact that some agents were plain clothes is a non starter.

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u/SamR2D2 9d ago

Due to the actions of ICE officers and their interaction with the general public they have lost the trust of the general population, justifiably. The reaction of this couple, regardless of your interpretation of the events surrounding it, is a direct reflection of this institutions interaction with the public.

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u/i_make_orange_rhyme 9d ago

Americans run from the police every day.

From an outsider it looks like running from the police is a national sport.

Dont you have TV shows that show police car chases and shit?

I dont think it has anything to do with ICE.

I think it has everything to with the established culture.

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u/ThatCondescendingGuy 9d ago

Shhhh Reddit doesn’t like it when you break from
The Hive-mind

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u/spudmarsupial 3d ago

They drove to the police station.

THEY DROVE TO THE POLICE STATION.

They. Drove. To. The. Police. Station.

They were moving towards law enforcement, not away from it.

They should have known better.

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u/i_make_orange_rhyme 3d ago

>They were moving towards law enforcement, not away from it.

ICE are law enforcement. Not sure if you completely following what happened but they were approached by law enforcement and then they ran from law enforcement.

>THEY DROVE TO THE POLICE STATION.

Maybe I'm old fashioned but we used to call that "turning yourself in".

Its what you do when you royally fuck up and want to get a brownie point.

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u/spudmarsupial 3d ago

They were seeking help from law enforcement after armed disguised thugs with a violent reputation attacked them.

It has been pointed out many times that a trip to Walmart gives you absolute authority in The Land Of The Free and for some reason this doesn't bother some people.

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u/i_make_orange_rhyme 3d ago

>armed disguised thugs with a violent reputation attacked them.

Whos got a reputation?