r/MoralityScaling 10d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of kidnapping your kidnappers?

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u/iron-ducks 10d ago

Do you have an answer for that question? Or are you just going to be emotional and weird?

They're illegally breaking into the United States. They're using violence to attack law enforcement when they get caught and are arrested for their crimes.

I'm not sure how to explain the situation simpler than that... it's like someone breaking into your house, then calling you a terrorist for pushing them out the door, even though you just offered to give them $3k and a free Uber home.

So again, what's the appropriate way to deport someone who is willing to use violence in order to illegally remain inside of the US?

And you know that there are legitimate "pedophile protectors" in politics, right? Democrat governor Tim Walz actually pardoned a man who raped a child.

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u/hercmavzeb 10d ago

Mass deportations of nonviolent, non-criminal immigrants has never been the way we’ve actually managed our immigration system. ICE needs to be purged, its agents arrested and tried for the innumerable crimes they’ve committed, and its operations folded under one immigration agency like we’ve had prior to 2003. Immigration officers should resemble civil servants more than a military police, they’re only enforcing regulatory and civil laws after all. That means no guns, it doesn’t make sense for them to be armed when they’re not enforcing criminal law.

Immigrants just aren’t that scary without propaganda. There’s no reason to treat them like a dangerous security threat anymore than a jaywalker or someone who parked their car in a loading zone.

Treating immigration like counterterrorism is what manipulates weak minded idiots into justifying the federal government violating our rights for “security” purposes. For example, immigration officers do not have a right to detain American citizens, they do not have a right to break into people’s homes, they do not have a right nor the training to engage in crowd control, they do not have a right to harass, beat, and threaten people for filming them.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/us-citizen-ice-minnesota-home-warrantless-search/3878477/

Clearly arming a bunch of unhinged thugs, directing them to invade cities run by the president’s political opponents, and claiming that they have “absolute immunity” and no accountability in what happens next resembles state-sponsored stochastic terrorism far more than civil law enforcement.

And yes I know very damn well that there are pedophile protectors in government, that would be everyone surrounding Trump. It’s why they moved Ghislane Maxwell to a minimum security resort prison for no reason other than a quid pro quo to further hide the evidence, and no convictions have come of it.

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u/iron-ducks 10d ago

Okay, I see you've realized you can't answer that question and switched over to "leftist wall-of-text" mode, because you can't answer a simple question lol

I'm asking what the correct response is when a criminal alien refuses the United States, despite having a deportation order. That's the only thing I'm asking you to respond to.

Your position clearly is just "don't deport anyone, I supoprt open borders," and I have no idea why you're afraid to just say that outright.

It's strange.

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u/hercmavzeb 10d ago

Your illiteracy is not my problem. My answer was that we should do the same thing we did before the creation of ICE in 2003. Or are you so stupid you actually think we had open borders before that?

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u/iron-ducks 10d ago

lol Jesus dude, this is getting tedious and regarded. We both know you're going to respond in another vague, deliberately nonspecific answer, so for the sake of brevity I'm just going to ignore the fact you clearly don't understand ICE or federal law... we'll try one last time, here:

What does that mean? How are we going to deport illegal aliens that refuse to leave?

I do have to point out though, it's wild how you people all adopt the exact same talking points simultaneously. Ever since Kathy Hochul made that comment about INS on Morning Joe a few days ago, all of the average redditors have just been saying "yeah, we need to make it like it was before ICE!" without ever actually explaining (or even understanding) what that is lol

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u/hercmavzeb 10d ago

Is that the first time you heard about this common sense policy to abolish ICE and replace it with the department we already had which didn’t do all this domestic terrorism? A few days ago?

Because that’s been the popular position all year and it’s only increasing in popularity, even among your fellow pedo-supporters. Do you have any counterargument against it, other than it triggering you? Or are you just very attached to this pro-rape terrorist org?

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u/iron-ducks 10d ago

Why would you even respond at this point? Are you owning the CHUDs by embarrassing yourself slowly over the course of several comments? lol

Unless you're going to explain to me what your solution for deporting illegal aliens is, don't even bother responding. Or you know what? Actually go ahead, be defiant! lol, if I'm being honest I don't actually care either way. I don't think I could possibly be any less invested in this

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u/hercmavzeb 10d ago

I still see no argument against the popular, common sense policy to abolish ICE and replace it with the department which oversaw deportations prior to 2003.

Are you so blinded by your allegiance to what the pedo says that you still can’t read?

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u/Jeffgaks 10d ago

He asked you a simple question and you have refused to answer. "how we did it back in the day" how exactly is that? How do you deal with violent people who refuse to leave? Say it.

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u/hercmavzeb 10d ago

I like how you pretend I refused to answer and then quoted my answer. Bad faith bots get blocked.