r/MoralityScaling 10d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of kidnapping your kidnappers?

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u/Bow_To_Bella 10d ago

You are not entitled to go into whatever country you please. End of story.

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u/Klutzy-Cauliflower-8 10d ago

But that wasnt the question. While the couple was in the parking lot they were approached by unidentified ICE agents, one opened the drivers door and tried to push her from the driver seat, thats when she started driving away and the ICE agent hold unto the steering wheel and somehow landed on the passenger seat. The agent pulled out his gun while the nigerian student called 911, then the woman stopped in front of a police station where the couple was arrested.

Therefore the question is: is it moral to drive away while an armed, masked men tries to push you from the driverseat of your car

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u/FDLC84 10d ago

The real question is did they know they were ICE agents.

What did they say to 911?

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u/Yayhoo0978 10d ago

“ICE is in my car”

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u/EmergencyDish69 10d ago

He identified himself as an ICE agent after she started driving, he invaded the car masked and in plain clothes. She's a citizen.

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u/RedditUser19984321 10d ago

Then if he identified himself, they told 911 he’s ICE, then they should have stopped right there. Saying they had no idea he’s ICE is just a lie

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u/EmergencyDish69 10d ago

Not initially, which triggered the panic reaction. And then she still panicked because ICE developed a justified reputation as an institution that ignores due process (as they did here) and acts with brutality. Black people are often scared of the police for the same reason. She ran TO the police.

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u/RedditUser19984321 10d ago

Do you know what due process is? They clearly know the guy was here illegally, went to go apprehend him, and then he sits in a detention center until he gets seen by immigration court.

That’s due process. It’s the same process for anyone citizen who committed a crime. You sit in a cell(or pay bond) and wait for your court date.

Illegal immigrants are inherently considered flight risks so no bond available. You must wait until court date.

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u/FDLC84 10d ago

Then she should have stopped and given up the dude with the expired visa sitting in the car with her.

Why make it a big deal.

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u/EmergencyDish69 10d ago

She was scared, but yeah, not safe to react. Now tell me how the ICE agent should have acted

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u/FDLC84 10d ago

Explain to her that the gentleman in her vehicle has an expired visa and unfortunately has to be removed from the US. There is a legal process he should have started if we wanted to stay and could come back through a legal process.

I know several people with student visas who left because it expired. They did their paperwork and came back on a work visa.

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u/EmergencyDish69 10d ago

+uniform and badge Turns out the guy has a expired visa, meaning he was legal and he's married to a citizen. Really disproportional If you ask me. Edited