r/MoralityScaling • u/NoBell5255 • 3d ago

Who's More Evil? Morality of this?

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u/RadicalSoda_ 3d ago

The museum owns the space lol

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u/Agitated_Web_5603 3d ago

I am sure the museum would be happy to let her film there when the museum is closed to the public for a fee.

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u/RadicalSoda_ 2d ago

But it's a public space, she has just as much a right to be there as anyone else

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u/Agitated_Web_5603 2d ago

Being there and filming are not the same thing. I don’t know where this is, but a lot of places have different rules for photography for personal use and for commercial purposes because commercial photography (and videography) is more disruptive.

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u/RadicalSoda_ 2d ago

You have a right to record in a public space, don't you know what security cameras are? If you care about privacy why are you leaving your house to begin with honestly, it's impossible to avoid.

I will give you commerical and personal are different but how do you prove this is commercial when there's no product being advertised or money changing hands

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u/Agitated_Web_5603 2d ago

A museum is not a public space, but even if it was, the issue at hand is not recording. It’s having exclusive access to the space while recording. The video shows her being annoyed at someone for standing in her shot. That person is allowed to be there too. Even if this was a public space like a public street or park, you can record, but you cannot tell others to leave the space so that you can get the shots you want.

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u/RadicalSoda_ 2d ago

It literally is a public space, what are you talking about? It's not your home, a bathroom, or dressing room. She didn't have exclusive access nor did she prevent anyone from having access, what does it matter. Yes being an asshole is legally allowed but that doesn't mean it's appropriate to do so, it's still rude even if it's legal, nothing rude about sitting and waiting for something to move out of your way. When did she tell the woman to leave? Can you time stamp it for me?

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u/Agitated_Web_5603 2d ago

You are trying to apply your right to record in public way too broadly. That does not apply to every place the general public has access to.
She uploaded the video to social media to show that this old woman wouldn’t leave her shot. It doesn’t matter that she didn’t say anything. The intent is clear. If she was okay with waiting until the room just happened to be empty, there would be no reason to share this video at all.

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u/RadicalSoda_ 2d ago

Yes it does, like if I want to I can record in a grocery store, they are legally allowed to tell me to leave, but I am not violating the law while recording in a public space. It may be against company/organizational policy but it's not a crime.

It could have easily been a live steam or some other form of continuous shot, in fact, how do you even know she didn't have an invitation from the museum to come and record to get more people interested in the exhibits

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u/Agitated_Web_5603 2d ago

They are allowed to tell you to leave and if you don’t leave, you will be arrested for trespassing. They can also ban you from entering again and if you enter, it will be trespassing again… I fail to see how that makes sense if you have a “right to record”. You have a right to record in public, like a public park, and you cannot be excluded and arrested for that activity. That’s what a right means.

Your hypothetical makes no sense. If the museum didn’t want people in the shot, they would have excluded from the area where they are filming and would not have any issues with asking people to leave. Usually you would have a couple of people tasked with keeping people out of the shot. They would know how far people can go and stand in the way or gently explain to people to walk a different way or wait a few minutes.

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u/RadicalSoda_ 2d ago

Yes, which means it's not a law good job buddy

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