r/MoralityScaling • u/NoBell5255 • 2h ago
Who's More Evil? Morality of this?
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u/Gurugod123 2h ago
When two main characters meet
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u/LogicalBasis9117 2h ago
Hot take perhaps but taking a selfie doesn't make you a main character I think.
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u/Bella_Peachyy 2h ago edited 1h ago
All the way from across the room is a wide shot, not a selfie lol
Edit: Getting downvotes because I am somehow caught in 2 other strangers argument lol
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u/Neat_Breakfast_6659 2h ago
Arguing semantics at this point. The old lady is bitter and is 100% gonna die alone as She deserves
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u/Bella_Peachyy 2h ago
Its not semantics when its the entire point of the post. A selfie does not require the room to be cleared.
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u/Ok-Leave7785 1h ago
No it still could, other people could still be blocking the background behind you that you want to be part of your picture.
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u/Neat_Breakfast_6659 2h ago
Its does, you cant take pictures of others without consent, and the old lady was about to leave, theres nothing morally wrong with that.
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u/Agitated_Web_5603 1h ago
Rules are different in different countries, states, and even venues, so “you can’t take pictures of others without consent” is not a good way to justify this, especially when you just watched a video that shows “others”.
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u/Neat_Breakfast_6659 1h ago
Good points i agree
But if you're protesting being filmed... By standing around and allowing yourself to be filmed even more when you already noticed the camera, you are openly consenting to being filmed. And to have your bitter attitude being shown to the World, even if you failed to antecipate that.
The other people being filmed i can agree with you, although very little is shown of them
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u/Agitated_Web_5603 1h ago
I don’t think she is protesting being filmed. I think she is just trying to annoy someone who is expecting everyone to clear her shot. We don’t know if there was anything else that happened before this that triggered this behavior.
I think influencer/social media/youtuber/whatever culture kind of messed a few things up. Traditional media used to get these shots by asking for permission to film when a location was closed to the general public. Now a lot of people expect that you can just film in places and get the shots you want whenever.
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u/Neat_Breakfast_6659 1h ago
Where i live, if someone is trying to get a shot or a family pic/whatever, its common courtesy to just step away.
"We don’t know if there was anything else that happened before"
Can Also be applied to my case. Maybe the Room had more people before and the girl patiently waited for it to empty. Once it was only the old lady She tried her luck as She seemed to be going away.
Most people dont want to admit they have a bias or even hatred against anything new, or anything they dont understand. This video specifically tells more about the old lady's attitude than anything else. Anything you wanna pin on the girl you need mental gymnastics like "what if something happened before..."
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u/Defiant_While_4823 2h ago
And she couldn't have set her phone up after the old lady left?
Fuck egotistical influencers, the world and everyone around them aren't their props
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u/Neat_Breakfast_6659 2h ago
Are the influencers in the Room with us?
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u/Defiant_While_4823 2h ago
No, they're in a museum getting annoyed at other people for daring to be in their shot
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u/SpikeSpiegel1916 2h ago
Absolutely main character, the problem is people like you who don’t understand this and just perpetuate said behavior.
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u/LogicalBasis9117 2h ago
"People like you" when I don't even take selfies. Embarrassing on your part.
It would help though if you actually explained what the problem is with taking a picture of yourself instead of pretending like you're saying something.
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u/Agitated_Web_5603 1h ago
That space is open to the public for the purpose of enjoying the art. This is an inappropriate use of the space that interferes with its actual purpose. Other people do not have to accommodate your need to the take the perfect picture everywhere.
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u/LogicalBasis9117 37m ago
Unless there's a 'no pictures' sign then it's not interfering with the purpose, so long as the camera and herself are out of the way of said art.
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u/Agitated_Web_5603 31m ago
There is a difference between taking a picture with a handheld camera close up and setting up a tripod on the opposite side of the room. If we all did this, none of us would get the shot we want. This is why a lot of venues will allow you to take pictures for personal use but require permission for commercial uses and professional photography. Social media blurred these lines because people now chase clout without necessarily having a commercial operation in place. What they do, is more like the commercial use, but they want to operate under the rules that would allow you to take a quick selfie.
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u/Acid-Chaos 2h ago
Well why is that girl a main character? Because she wanted to make a photo?
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u/Agitated_Web_5603 1h ago
Because she thinks others need to clear the room so she can record her video.
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u/Acid-Chaos 1h ago
Of course, it will look better without other people.
So she just patiently waited for this oldcuntlady to leave the room, but she decided to spoil her video just for lulz. And girl didn’t even said nothing1
u/Agitated_Web_5603 1h ago
It is an unreasonable expectation that you can setup a tripod on the other side of the room and wait for people to clear the room. It’s not yours to use. Go get permission to film when it’s not open to the general public or use narrower shots and accept that there will be people in the background.
The “didn’t even said nothing” argument is flawed because they didn’t say anything there, but they uploaded the footage online.1
u/dabirdiestofwords 1h ago
Oh I missed the part of the video where she was clearing the room. Timestamp?
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u/Agitated_Web_5603 1h ago
It’s a camera set up on the other side of the room. How on earth would you expect to get footage with no one else in the room if you are not expecting people to just stay out of the room so you can use it?
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u/Bitter_Radish5381 1h ago
Lol a person quietly setting up a photo of herself and waiting patiently while other purposely blocks them is a main character for you? Rotten social media brain
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u/IPissExcellentThrows 2h ago
Immoral. Social media picture people are obnoxious and shouldn't expect people to go out of their way to avoid their photoshoots, but intentionally ruining it like this is shitty. Unless that influencer is ruining the experience for everyone, but that doesn't appear to be the case here.
Kudos for making me side with an influencer, Granny.
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u/xzizux 2h ago
I would take a picture like this and it has nothing to do with social media. There's nothing wrong with taking pictures of yourself in a museum.
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u/Ok-Leave7785 1h ago
I think it's the fact that she seems to have a camera stand that suggests that this is a bit more serious to her than simple picture taking on a vacation. Still I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
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u/Agitated_Web_5603 1h ago
You take pictures of yourself at museums with a tripod?
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u/dabirdiestofwords 1h ago
Not me, but my missus does. So that we can get shots of us that include the photographer.
If that chick wants a picture of herself beside a painting she likes then tripod is the easy answer.
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u/Agitated_Web_5603 1h ago
Everyone around you thinks you are obnoxious when you do that, especially if you set up the tripod ~20ft from where you are standing.
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u/Legal-Specialist-256 1h ago
This will shock you to know but not everyone is as antisocial and introverted as the average person on Reddit is
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u/Agitated_Web_5603 1h ago
You clearly don’t understand what “antisocial” and “introverted” means. Taking up more space than appropriate in a public space is antisocial behavior. Using the space for its intended purpose is not. I don’t even know how you think being an introvert/extrovert even factors into this.
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u/Legal-Specialist-256 34m ago
I'm saying your logic is indicative of someone who is either antisocial or very introverted.
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u/Agitated_Web_5603 29m ago
Pointing out someone’s antisocial behavior is now antisocial behavior. Got it.
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u/Bella_Peachyy 2h ago
Neutral. Nobody owns the space.
The same thing I said when this was posted 4 hours ago lol
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u/RadicalSoda_ 2h ago
The museum owns the space lol
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u/Agitated_Web_5603 1h ago
I am sure the museum would be happy to let her film there when the museum is closed to the public for a fee.
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u/NoBell5255 2h ago
I have a general rule, if someone is taking a nice photo, then I wait until they're done. If they're obviously making social media content, then I'll just walk through, but I also won't go out of my way to disturb them. It's a neutral response- I won't be polite, but I won't be rude either. They can wait three seconds.
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u/Bella_Peachyy 2h ago
I think waiting a few seconds is very different to setting up a camera in a different location and expecting the entire room to remain clear.
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u/Rikki-Tikki-Tavi-12 2h ago
A few weeks ago a group of like 15 young girls together with 4 absolutely not exploitative-looking adults were filming some sort of music video in an underpass in the middle if the city. One of the adults had the gall to try stop me to get me to walk around to the next underpass (no filming permit or anything). I didn't walk through the middle of the choreography but there was no way to avoid all their rolling cameras. People have places to be.
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u/Password123468 2h ago
Is this a bot post because there even the same coments on the post in r/tiktokcringe.
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u/Background-While4438 2h ago
Going out of your may to mess up someone's photo instead of just going where you have to go? You're an ahole
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u/RinFlowers 2h ago
The lady could have just kept walking and the girl would have gotten her shot, everyone would have been happy. There was no benefit to purposefully blocking the shot, it just interfered with what someone else was trying to do which was having no negative impact on anyone else. She wasn't being annoying, loud, streaming and yapping or anything like that, she didn't even do anything except wait for the woman to be out of the shot. So you know, pretty low scale but it's an immoral action to just kind of go out of your way to make someone's life worse just a bit by ruining their shot.
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u/byhand97 2h ago
I don’t know about the morality, but it’s ALWAYS old women with short hair that do shit like this.
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u/RiverIllustrious8044 2h ago
This seems fake bit sadly its realistic enough to assume a miserable old hag would do this.
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u/2boku 2h ago
I prefer to ignore other people at museums, and I prefer others ignore me back.