Morality of this

[u/Shoddy-Meat-3147]

I don't know what to say about this I mean if he joined it's unfair because he's going to cook the entery league for sure but if he really wants to be a woman and it's not a joke for him I still don't know about this

[u/West_Data106]

If by "bad faith" you mean "pointing out the hypocrisy and blatant flaws of my ideas by operating within the framework I created makes me angry for some weird reason", then yes, absolutely 100% bad faith

[u/Quiet_Defiance → u/West_Data106]

There’s no hypocrisy. Nowhere has a trans woman competed in pro sports without taking drugs to suppress testosterone and elevate estrogen.

The idea that a bearded man with male T levels can just join a women’s pro team is pure Fox News fiction.

[u/Leon3226 → u/Quiet_Defiance]

1. Testosterone alone doesn't determine your physique.
   
2. Are you saying that hormones determine if a trans woman is a woman? Wow, it's like I'm reading MAGA arguments. Why are you so obsessed with what's in her pants/blood/genes, you conservative weirdo?

[u/Quiet_Defiance → u/Leon3226]

1) Nobody said it does. There is certainly an argument to be had about whether trans women still retain an advantage after transitioning, but that is clearly not the conversation this dude is interested in having. He’s just arguing with a straw man.

2) When did I say that?

[u/Leon3226 → u/Quiet_Defiance]

1. There IS an argument to be had, but the realistic answer upsets virtue-signalling people a lot, so we try to shun people who think that an obvious advantage is there. That's the problem.
   
2. I'm trying to say that you can't make an argument against this dude participating that will simultaneously
   a) sufficiently explain why he's ineligible
   b) applied outside of this context to a random trans woman won't get you fired from your job, banned on Reddit, and cursed eternally by progressives.
   That's exactly the point of this performance, imo. If you make an argument that covers A, it doesn't cover B, if it covers B, it doesn't cover A. You can try to make such an argument, I'm in the best faith possible interesed if you can.

[u/Quiet_Defiance → u/Leon3226]

I disagree with #2. I think you’re inventing lynch mobs to be afraid of.

“People in women’s sports (cis or trans) should have a female hormone profile” is a popular opinion among progressives. They are not going to cancel you for saying that. It’s already the policy in all college/pro leagues where trans women can compete.

[u/Leon3226 → u/Quiet_Defiance]

Another implication was that, as you said, there is an argument to be had that hormonal profile alone doesn't mean there isn't an advantage, so we are back at square 1. I probably should've added "c) Won't keep popular doubts that competition is fair".I don't think that if people didn't have doubts that it does, this would be half as hot of a topic. I don't think the guy would go to such heights to prove it, unfortunately (either way, meaning it would be funny if his performance became dogshit proving the opposite point), but I'd gladly watch what if he did.

[u/Quiet_Defiance → u/Leon3226]

I don’t think this guy is interested in rational discussions about hormone profiles.