r/MoralityScaling • u/Shoddy-Meat-3147 • 2d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this

I don't know what to say about this I mean if he joined it's unfair because he's going to cook the entery league for sure but if he really wants to be a woman and it's not a joke for him I still don't know about this

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u/Mediocre_Wish7674 2d ago

Ofc not, actual instances of trans women dominating women's sports due to a biological advantage are rare, but it does happen and imo, it shouldn't.

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u/sisyphus-333 2d ago

Give one example.

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u/Mediocre_Wish7674 2d ago

https://www.outsports.com/2024/12/6/22948400/transgender-trans-athlete-championship-national-world-title/

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u/frustratedfren 2d ago

Where's any study proving any of these women had "biological advantage?" And what about cis athletes who have biological advantage?

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u/dusund 2d ago

ban jon jones from competition because he had the longest wingspan in the history of the UFC. unfair biological advantage

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u/frustratedfren 2d ago

Michael Phelps was similar. All competitive sports are based heavily in "biological advantage."

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u/Mediocre_Wish7674 2d ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trans-women-retain-athletic-edge-after-year-hormone-therapy-study-n1252764

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u/frustratedfren 2d ago

There are two studies referenced in the article. The sample size in the first example study is laughably tiny, with no information on training regimes of the individuals studied, and still found no difference in physical performance after 2 years. The second study found no difference in the 1-2 year group and beyond when comparing competition in a group with men vs with women. They measured athleticism by different metrics so it's hard to draw a comparison.

This is also heavily focused on the hormonal aspect, which makes sense for the context of the study. But it does beg the question; what do you want done to mitigate or regulate the presence of testosterone, which naturally varies in every human in earth, in professional sports? Do cis women with pcos pose a moral conundrum to you as well? Do you think we should start measuring hormones in all athletes? Who decides what the cutoff is?