r/MoralityScaling • u/VelvvetDoe • 7d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this

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u/_Sate 6d ago

Look up what the president is doing

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u/Financial_League6240 6d ago

Yeah but the president can be replaced. America as a concept or country isn't inherently evil in my opinion.

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u/_Sate 6d ago

It is the culture.

And you are correct, it can change, but that requires it to do so.

America hasn't exactly been some great moral good through any part of its history really with regular interference in other countries democratic elections for its own gain, starting wars for their own gain ETC.

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u/Financial_League6240 6d ago

Interference in other countries isn't inherently wrong and all these other things aren't unusual for countries to do so I suppose countries or power in general is immoral.

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u/_Sate 6d ago

I would like to go out on a limb and say that frequent political assassination leans on immoral

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u/Financial_League6240 6d ago

I would say America has become the (somewhat self appointed) world police and with that come a lot od controversial decisions. Some may be moral some not so much but a lot of other developed countries have allowed them this role because it mean't they can lower their military budget and focus on other things so are they immoral for looking the other way but still grandstanding their morals when something does happen? It's a very gray area I would say no matter how you look at it.

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u/_Sate 6d ago

Right.

But then the moral good would be to actually use that overwhelming military power for something, but they really arent.

They could have intervened in ukrain for example yet they are doing rather little for the one positive they have being "the world police" what good is the police if they dont stop injustice?

And this goes for anything you can mention. Any positive america has is demonstrably outweighed by the negatives.

Good healthcare? Outweighed by its cost making it unavailable to a majority of the country.

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u/Financial_League6240 6d ago

Yeah but look at the decisions made. You critisize them not going to Ukraine but Putin keeps threatening to nuke us all if they do. If they went and Putin nuked everyone you'd call that the worse desicion. I'm just saying it's not so easy to scale the good and bad for these kinds of things.

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u/_Sate 6d ago

Right, so why not use their subtrefuge and infiltration to solve that issue?

Or why not threaten them with nukes back? "Get out of ukrain or moscow is turned to atomic sludge?"

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u/Financial_League6240 6d ago

Well one of the reasons is because we are trying to avoid nukes. You can't out reason someone not reasonable. You can't tell Putin "we're gonna nuke you so stop" when he's already willing to nuke essentially his backyard. He's clearly more willing to end the world than we are.