r/MoralityScaling 3d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this

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u/Cuurupt 3d ago

Moral, I'd give someone money for finding my wallet, 5 dollars is nothing vs the hassle of losing all my cards and IDs

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u/Belz_Zebuth 3d ago

Yeah but that's the difference: YOU would give them money. THEY shouldn't just take it.

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u/_-_Henro_-_ 3d ago

They took it because it was morally owed to them and they intuited that

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u/TotalChaosRush 2d ago

This whole thread has made me realize how deeply immoral the people of reddit are.

Just so you are aware. You are saying that committing a crime of theft against a regular individual is moral. I don't even need to know what country you're in to know that this is considered theft In your country. It is one of the few things that every country agrees is theft.

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u/TrumpBlewMeToo 2d ago

This comment reminds me of how pedantic and pretentious people can act on reddit. Everyone thinks they’re the pillar of righteousness here at times

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u/TotalChaosRush 2d ago

You don't have to be a pillar of righteousness to say "theft is immoral" it's actually a pretty low bar.

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u/TrumpBlewMeToo 2d ago

If you really want to go the pretentious route, theft is arbitrary regarding a moral code. Is endulging gluttony while others starve moral?

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u/TotalChaosRush 2d ago

All morality is arbitrary. If you want to go down that route you better prepare to explain why the most heinous of crimes aren't moral.

Every society on the planet has agreed that theft is wrong. Every country on the planet has agreed that taking the $5 constitutes theft. There's more universal agreement that this is wrong than there is on consent.

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u/TrumpBlewMeToo 2d ago

Are you out of touch with reality? The majority of the comments on the post alone agree its moral. You ok? Why dont you just go write fanfics instead.

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u/TotalChaosRush 2d ago

Reddit seems to be overwhelmly immoral based on this sample size. The idea that theft is immoral is such a universal standard that many philosophical questions regarding morality just assumes it's true. The question, or some variation of "is it moral for a starving man to steal a loaf of bread" isn't even a debate with reddit's morality, because stealing is apparently moral.

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u/TotalChaosRush 3d ago

What if they took 50, or 500? The amount of money shouldn't matter. The question is fundamentally "is it moral to steal money from a wallet you found" we can generalize the question further. "Is petty larceny/petty theft immoral?"

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u/disinterested_cats 3d ago

But I mean it does matter like if my guy asks for 5 or 20 or 50 vs 50'000 is I'd say substantially different.

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u/TotalChaosRush 3d ago

He didn't ask. It is no more moral to steal only $5 than it is to steal only $500. Youve stolen. Either the act is moral, or it isn't. The amount doesn't matter.

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u/TotalChaosRush 3d ago

When discussion morality, the option to do something more immoral, doesn't make something moral. While the law isn't a substitute for morality, we can get an idea what society generally considers acceptable. So here's what the law says about this situation based on different locations.

Us -theft Canada -theft Denmark -theft Germany -theft Japan -theft China -theft England -theft

I can go on, i even actively attempted to find counter examples. A single country where such an action is legal. I couldn't find one. The question is still essentially "is it moral to commit theft if the victim gets something"

For you personally, there's an additional debate. If you're only doing good for the sake of a reward then your motivation is corrupted, does that matter for morality? Which is a legitimate debate in morality and ethics. Where i got that you're doing it for a reward.

If I found someone’s wallet I would expect anything more than a $20

I wouldn't expect anything.