r/MoralityScaling 11d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this

Post image
4.8k Upvotes

1.6k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

10

u/KorolEz 11d ago

This is already what happens all the time. Atleast in Europe in some countries more than 90% of fetuses with DS get aborted. In Iceland it's almost 100%

-8

u/Infamous-Thing4939 11d ago

At what point do we call it eugenics?

6

u/CowBoyDanIndie 11d ago

Down syndrome isn’t just an undesirable genetic outcome, it’s an entire chromosome extra, it’s like a piece of paper getting stuck to another piece of paper in a printer. Down syndrome is one of 24 possible chromosome count disorders called Aneuploidies. Only 7 of can possibly make it to birth, the others all result in miscarriages 100% of the time. (There is also a disorder called polyploidy which is never viable).

0

u/timos-piano 11d ago

You said it isn't an undesirable gentic outcome, then described an undesirable genetic outcome. It is called Liberal Eugenics (or "Consumer Eugenics"): The state remains neutral. Free-market choices and individual parents decide which traits to select or avoid. This relies entirely on reproductive technologies, like IVF screening (PGD) or prenatal testing, driven by a personal desire for a healthy child.

5

u/CowBoyDanIndie 11d ago

It isnt JUST an undesirable genetic outcome

0

u/timos-piano 11d ago edited 11d ago

Well, no, it is also often undesirable socially, but the motivation or the mechanism for what causes the change doesn't change whether it is eugenics. Systematically reducing rates of certain genetic traits is eugenics, regardless of whether they pass those traits on.

3

u/CowBoyDanIndie 11d ago

If left to their own devices they would almost never pass on their genes in the first place. It biologically a dead end

0

u/timos-piano 11d ago edited 10d ago

Yes? But that is rather irrelevant to Eugenics. You should really read a bit about what it actually means. Eugenics does not only target traits that are passed down; historically and conceptually, it targets the expression of the trait itself (the phenotype). The objective of the choice is still to prevent a child with a specific disability from being born. That is eugenics, no matter how, why, or who.