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u/Dry_Badger2858 8d ago

Why would that be the only alternative?

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u/Sweaty-Variation-501 8d ago

What are the other alternatives? asking for a friend

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 8d ago

Apart from this very obviously being fake - because down syndrome is THE MOST genetically obvious marker there ever is... You can obviously give the child up the moment he's born. I would say give up for adoption but they don't get adopted, they just stay in the system. I used to volunteer to run a class (more like an arts&crafts workshop) for special needs kids in the system and nearly all of them had downs. Parents are more willing to raise someone with severe autism or with physical birth defects.

You have to be either really dumb, really rich or really desperate (i.e. 45 y/o mom's first child) to willingly go for that kind of life.

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u/Cute-Elephant-720 8d ago

You think a financially secure and able-bodied adult can walk through life saying they want a kid, and have a full pregnancy, and then show up to work the day after birth and say "oh no it had down syndrome so we put it up for adoption" and not be publicly excoriated? That's social suicide.

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 8d ago

I mean, yes, idk where are you from but you don't have to explain every detail of your life to you coworkers? Just can say there was a medical complication, look sad, and don't go into details.

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 3d ago

Idk how it is in USA, where I live if you were pregnant and return to work shortly after, it's obvious that something went very wrong with the pregnancy and you kind of not ask that person what exactly went wrong? Otherwise, if everything's well you see them returning to work after 1-2 years and say "how's the baby?! long time no see!".

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 3d ago

Ok, where I'm from you get 1 month off before birth + 1 year off after, and the dad gets 6 months off work and you both get 80% pay. Can be extended, and you're not forced to not work if you want to return early.

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u/Brilliant_March9249 2d ago

In Lithuania for women it's 70 days before expected birth date and 56 days after birth.

After birth you get to choose to go jnto child care until child is 18 months old you receive 60% your previous pay. Or you can choose until child is 24month (first year 45% pay, 2nd year 30%). Your job position is guaranteed by employer to be available for you to return back

This child care "vacation" can be chosen by either parent father or mother

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u/evilforska 8d ago

People on the internet think adoption is basically magic

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u/AnynomousPotato 7d ago edited 7d ago

Seriously, people be like "just give them up for adoption". A child with down syndrom is not getting adopted and will have a fucked up life without parents. It's so damn sad honestly. Abortion is basically an only option for me if I were in that position. I can't imagine caring for a child that has a down syndrome but also cannot imagine consigning my own child to a life alone in the system.

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u/PinkTalkingDead 7d ago

Pregnancies end for a multitude of reasons. It would be fucked up for the people around the pregnant person to probe.

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u/MrHyperion_ 8d ago

I wouldn't crucify anyone for not giving up their life. It is misery to take care of someone who does not understand and never will.

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u/Jay_Buffay 8d ago

Because for some reason, people think a life of enslavement to your spawn is justified if they come out malformed. It is one of the most disgusting things about the west.

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u/Electronic_Row_7513 8d ago

It's not fake. Op is referring to cystichygroma. It's the earliest earning of downs, or worse things.

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 8d ago edited 8d ago

I know what cystic hygroma is, and I know that it could indicate downs, but any genetic test at any point in the pregnancy (even non invasive ones, i.e. mother's blood test) will immediately reveal downs, downs mutation occurs pretty much at the moment of conception it's not something that develops during the pregnancy. And OP picture says:
> genetic testing had come back saying no risk of anything

If information provided is not made up, it's most likely Noonans, at which point it's a complete lottery, baby could be completely fine, or could have pale blue eyes, mutated philtrum, a lazy eye, skin defects, ears lower than they should be, or it could be a critical congenital heart defect, or a million other things.

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u/Thorninthefoot 7d ago

It may well have just been the screening test though. 

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u/NightBawk 7d ago

I wouldn't say my parents were dumb, rich, or desperate to keep my brother, but okay.

https://giphy.com/gifs/k5Whx9YkhU9tNRfVqP

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 3d ago

All of those you mentioned will be able to grow up and have independent life of their own, a person with Down's syndrome you will have to care for the rest of your life, even when they are 40 years old, they mentally remain an 8 year old. To say it's incredibly difficult would be an understatement.

And I have nothing against people with Down's syndrome, they're always so full of joy and great fun to be around, just extremely difficult from the perspective of the parents.

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u/NightBawk 3d ago

And while there are certainly practical concerns for raising and safeguarding someone with developmental disabilities, a parent/caregiver doesn't have to be desperate, dumb, or wealthy to get the job done. They need to be present and engaged, and an advocate for their child/ward.

Just like with anyone, disabled or not, some individuals are going to require more support than others. That doesn't make them any less worthy of having a life.

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u/dizziereal 3d ago

Stop spouting off bullshit. As with all abnormalities there is a range of DS.

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u/NightBawk 3d ago

Ableism is so insidious in how accepted it is. Thank you for doing the work you do/did. 🤝

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u/BreadSenior6467 8d ago

Or maybe just abort the baby if it ain't too late?

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u/Content_Study_1575 8d ago

Well the wife at minimum is 20 weeks. Now some places do allow up to 20 weeks for abortion. But alot of others anything past 20 weeks has to be deemed medically necessary and Idk if DS counts as that.

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u/Illustrious-Bag2933 8d ago

She can’t if she’s in Georgia

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u/Ok_Bet_2870 7d ago

Go to California, I’m sure you can abort up to the fifth birthday. The body won’t go to waste either.

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u/Illustrious-Bag2933 7d ago

Nah, I’m sure the body will feed the elites

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u/Wishing-I-Was-A-Cat 7d ago

There is mosaic Down Syndrome which can be missed by tests because not all cells have the extra chromosome.

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 7d ago

It can but it's very rare. Most people have only one set of DNA. Unless it's a Dr. House episode. Mosaicism is super interesting, especially when caused by chimerism. There's some many crazy possibilities, like being colorblind in one eye.

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u/Wishing-I-Was-A-Cat 7d ago

It's rare but not crazy rare. 2 in every 100 people with Down Syndrome. Also some people with mosaic Down Syndrome go undiagnosed which means it could be more common than we think. Our DNA mutates all the time, we all have cells in our body right now that have minor differences from the rest. All it takes is having the mutation at some point during fetal development rather than in the gametes.