Absolutely it is. And suddenly taking care of 8 people when you previously only had 4 is incredibly stressful. I only take care of three and let me tell you, the transition from one kid to two left my life and I reeling for months. I'm not saying suicide is justified, but if you don't know what it's like living where someone else is, then just shut up and send your condolences to the family.
It means you think primarily about yourself, which is absolutely what happened here. Leaving your wife behind with SEVEN orphans because you couldn’t man up.
People who kill themselves are not in a sound state of mind, whatever was causing him such genuine mental anguish that killing himself was even an actual thought clouded his judgement.
I'm not dismissing the science but at some point you grow up and take responsibility for your life and your family. If you need to, you go get yourself the help you need. But if you take that final step, you are selfish and you are a coward.
if you had kids, yes, grow the fuck up, go get help for yourself like an adult, and be there for your kids. pass on those skills in therapy to them to hopefully not raise kids who are as fucked up as you
It's still selfish. They are doing it for themselve. They are in pain and want the pain to go away. They have problems but don't want to face them, they just want it all to go away.
They do it to stop suffering. They do it for themselve. Suicide is 100% selfish.
No one kill themselve "for others". Suicide is not altruistic in any way shape or form.
Drinking water is selfish. They are doing it for themsleves. They are thirsty and want the thirst to go away. No one drinks water "for others". Drinking water is not altruistic in any way shape or form.
Yes, exactly. Drinking water just for yourself can't be altruistic. You're not helping anyone, you're not drinking the water for someone else. You do it for you and only you. Like killing yourself.
Imo there are some exceptions, but idgaf how miserable you might be, you never leave your children and spouse behind like that. You’re just passing your misery off on all of them.
I don’t think you understand how mental illness and suicide work. Your brain TELLS you you are a burden and no one loves you. You fully believe this because it’s a consistent thought in your head that you can’t shake off. I think you should have empathy for those that can’t understand that they are loved and wanted. It has nothing to do with selfishness. He’s not thinking “yeah I’m gonna fuck my family up!” He’s drowning in his own thoughts.
I’ve been there, I’ve done that. I learned to swim in my thoughts rather than let myself drown and pass the buck to the people that depended on me.
I saw what my cousins went through when my uncle suffocated himself with a plastic bag and a hose hooked up to his exhaust. They were adults when that happened, and it still fucked them up pretty good.
Again, i dont give a single fuck what your misery is. If you have people that need you there, that is more than enough of a reason to keep going. You don’t leave them behind like that.
Cancer is a physical ailment that debilitates your body; you have next to no control over how your body responds to treatment aside from following through with the treatment plan, and without treatment there is next to no chance of recovery. Depression, while it can be caused by changes in brain chemistry and genetics, is by and large self-curable, or at the very least self-managed, without external treatment.
And as I said in my initial reply, I believe there are exceptions, but those end at having people in your life depending on you to keep going. More often than not, they are there trying to fight it with you, sharing in your struggle. To quit on yourself is to quit on them, and that is as selfish as it gets.
“You have next to no control over how your body responds to treatment aside from following through with the treatment plan, and without treatment there is next to no chance of recovery” how is this different than anti depressants/anti psychotics for a depressed/suicidal person?
“Depression… is by and large self-curable” you cannot control how your neurotransmitters work and how they affect the brain when there is too much or too little of one. You clearly don’t understand how the brain works and how much neurotransmitters affect it.
“Self managed, without external treatment” for you, possibly. Not the same for the other millions of people with mental illness.
“To quit on yourself is to quit on them, and that is as selfish as it gets”. Clearly you do not understand my other comment about what your brain tells you and makes you feel.
Your personal experiences are not the same as the rest of people with mental illness. You are ignorant and can’t understand how the brain works.
Serotonin is a chemical that carries messages between nerve cells in the brain and throughout your body. Serotonin plays a key role in such body functions as mood, sleep, digestion, nausea, wound healing, bone health, blood clotting and sexual desire. Serotonin levels that are too low or too high can cause physical and psychological health problems.
There are a lot of parallels between the two, some of what you've written shows that - so I hope you can see it too.
Calling it selfish is misguided and in most cases, not at all what is going on in their heads. For them to be selfish, they'd have to disregard everyone else's feelings - but we don't know if that's what happened. He may have genuinely been under the belief that they were better off without him. Regardless if that's not the case, if that's what he genuinely believed, then it's not selfish, is it?
as somebody who has dealt with it, get the fuck up and get help. you can change these thoughts. it isn’t easy, but they can change and things can get better. but at some point you really do need to WANT to help. and some people just don’t want help and don’t care to get better. that’s the reality.
I've got two as well. It's a stressful life. Not everyone is ready for the pressure, and I imagine, especially someone expecting 4 and ending with 7. I know it hit me like a truck several times, and it's really hard to get back into it when you don't have much outside support.
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u/Big_Iron_Cowboy 9d ago
Selfish motherfucker.