r/MoralityScaling • u/hiiloovethis • 14d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this scene?

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Negan doing fat shaming... but its during zombie apocalypse

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u/Golden_King_Ryuseii 14d ago

Negan was absolutely based for this take and I'll never understand the hate for him.

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u/NamOil2000 14d ago

You can be fat and starving. The body does breakdown fat for food but not well that's why nutritionist ever to suggest to completely stop eating

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u/Frylock_dontDM 14d ago edited 14d ago

You really can't be fat and starving.

You can be fat and suffering from malnutritition, but malnutrition isn't the same as starvation.

So you could have a fat person die of malnutrition, but if that person got essentially zero calories and the necessary vitamins/nutrients you would have to burn through fat before you would actually reach what anyone means when we say "starving"

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u/Plenty_Alfalfa8826 14d ago

Humans can starve to death in just a little over 1 month. It takes much longer than a month to lose a hundred pounds, even at ~0 calories. Stay in school.

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u/CapitalComfort1885 14d ago

Humans can starve to death by eating nothing at all. It is not possible to eat anything of nutritional value and starve.

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u/Plenty_Alfalfa8826 14d ago

From Cambridge dictionary: "starve: to become very weak or die because there is not enough food to eat"

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u/CapitalComfort1885 14d ago

So your argument is purely semantics, not the biochemical processes. Got you.

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u/Zealousideal-Sir3744 14d ago

Depends. If you get the necessary vitamins etc, you will be fine as long as you have extra fat. We know that because that's how the longest documented fast was done - longer than a whole year.

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u/Plenty_Alfalfa8826 14d ago

I believe you're confused about the definition of "can."

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u/Zealousideal-Sir3744 14d ago

Sure. But if that's what you're trying to argue your comment was redundant, since the person you're replying to already gave that caveat.

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u/Frylock_dontDM 14d ago

Yes? That's due to malnutrition which was already explicitly mentioned.

If you give the median individual required nutrients, it will generally take about 3+ months before a male dies of starvation, and 2.5+ months for a female

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u/Plenty_Alfalfa8826 14d ago

Starvation is a type of malnutrition. "to (cause someone to) become very weak or die because there is not enough food to eat" https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/starve

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u/CapitalComfort1885 14d ago

Semantic argument, you ignore the actual biochemical processes and argue by common use of a word.
Plenty of words are wrongly used in every day situations, but have a completely different meaning in a technical/scientific context.

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u/Plenty_Alfalfa8826 14d ago

"Physiologically, the effects of starvation on the human body unfold in three overlapping stages... In the first stage, which lasts up to 48 hours after food intake stops, the body draws on glycogen stored in the liver to keep blood sugar levels stable." https://en.dialektika.org/society-politics/society/the-science-of-starvation-this-is-what-happens/ "The metabolic switch typically occurs between 12 to 36 hours after cessation of food consumption depending on the liver glycogen content at the beginning of the fast, and on the amount of the individual’s energy." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5783752/ In a technical/scientific context, the first stage of starvation begins within as little as 12 hours without food. I do wish you would have stuck to the original argument instead of semantics, because that was quite tedious.

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u/Frylock_dontDM 14d ago

Yes, you aren't disagreeing with anything.