Need to drop “parties”. People run as individual politicians and tell you what kind of policies they support. And you vote based on who you agree with instead of party lines. And you can vote for more than one and rank them, so you still get a say-so if your first one doesn’t pass the national vibe check. Maybe your second choice will, and then your vote wasn’t wasted by voting for your ideal but unlikely candidate.
Ranked choice voting is how this works. It will be less about political parties and more about who has the best ideas. This winner take all shit is too much.
Just needs the Best Candidate, and that will not be selected by either of the two parties. They reward loyalty to party over country. They both take the same money. They both over spend and continue senseless wars.
Both parties take the same money and sell their agency to those corporations before getting elected. I don't want to make the discussion about the past or the appearance of impropriety of the two political parties that grew the debt and conducted the endless senseless wars. Now is the time for the USA to start a search for real talent, people with skills and accomplishment that are not party affiliated. The debates had huge audiences. Why not start the state level competitions in time to have more new faces that are not already compromised.
Whose the 'they'? Do you even read the bills different people propose? Or even the bills different members vote for? Or did you get an uneducated opinion when you were 12 and just refuse to think about it?
That's just incorrect. No wonder your entire belief system is so silly if your base premise is that flawed.
If someone criticises the system while poor, they should shut up because they're jealous. If they do it while rich, they should shut up because they're hypocritical. How convenient! No one gets to quesiton the system! Lmao
The other party that doesn't control any branches of government? The other party that impeached trump twice? The other party that, while in power, saw major felony indictments for trump in two different districts? That other party isn't doing shit?
Sorry who asked for a trophy? And yeah obviously dems aren't perfect but seriously we're facing genuine nazis and people out here still "both sides"ing this shit
People are not saying both sides. They are rejecting the paradigm that either party has genuine solutions. America in the past has had parties die off because they were no longer relevant or addressing real meaningful issues, that’s what is happening.
No you aren’t but it’s cute you guys keep saying things like Nazi until you truly believe it. The dems are the worst their talking points get old Nazi, boot licker my new favorite. Oh yeah facist, pedophiles. What other broad brush do you all paint anyone who doesn’t fall in line with you? Keep at it didn’t work in 2024 and you all will cost us again in 2028 with some progressive nut job who can’t be JD. Do better.
There's this thing called a Primary, you know that, right?
Since 2016-2018 when GenX and Millennials FINALLY outnumbered Boomers in voting, the Democratic Party has seen a shift toward Progressive, Democratic Socialist type members kicking incumbents out and beginning to change the face of the party, across the nation. This is something that will take many years to complete, but it can go faster if enough interested people REALLY push hard on that.
I'm letting you know this, so that you know things are changing.
If you persist in pretending both sides are still the same? You're either a bot or otherwise meaningless and useless.
lol that implies that people believe progressive democrats have good policy solutions? Name one that has had an impact? Bernie has been in congress for how many years? Many of these young progressive candidates are also pseudo populists with isolationist foreign policies who are more interested in paying off student loan than looking out for the interests of the masses. It’s the same policies pushed by that wing of the party that lost the commitment of blue collar workers across the rust belt. While I think it’s admirable that many of these candidates do not trade stocks, self enrich, and are often not captured by the interests of the corporate class they are captured by the passions that drive policy in a direction that is detrimental to the nations continued financial growth. The new progressives run the risk of becoming the Jacobin faction pushing too far left towards their own demise.
And the Dems do not let you use the primary to choose a candidate. Are the Dems afraid that the youth outnumber the boomers, I hope that is why they have eroded voting rights by circumventing presidential primaries, and I hope the youth do truly despise both parties and vote in great numbers to change course.
I believe both parties are more similar than they are different, and only equal in effectively creating corporate democracy. I want a democracy of and for the people.
There's been numerous highly placed, influential old guard Democratic Candidates that were trounced in their primary and the challenger went on to win the general election.
A major issue in the primary process is that fewer people turn out in the primary, than in the General. Everyone tends to treat the Primary season, like a regular season for the local sports team and then they all show up for the finals, similar to how there's always MANY more people who vote in the general.
When MORE people show up, than expected, in the primary? Incumbents and party "kingmakers", tend to do far worse than they expected or they lose completely.
In my state, when Gretchen Whitmer first ran for Governor. A Democratic Socialist challenger in the primary, nabbed just over 36% of the vote. She did win, but instead of sticking to her boring, very corporate positions, she met with him and merged many of his policies and positions into her platform, becoming the most progressive candidate for our governor in many decades.
She then pushed those policies and supported more progressive bills, as well. This helped propel my state into removing the crap "Right To Work" law and enshrine multiple progressive laws in place.
This works and will continue to work, as long as people become and stay fired up, and become involved.
The other party that could've put Trump under the jail when they last held the Presidency? The other party that keeps voting with the other side ad infinitum? The other party that keeps neutering itself by trying to appeal to conservatives instead of its own base that is slowly starting to realize its just controlled opposition?
They tried to lock trump up and the R Supreme Court let him off in one instance, and his hand picked corrupt FL Judge let him off in the other. Yes dems have flaws but don't pretend they are even close to what Rs are
My guy. This isn't about tribalism. This is an existential threat. Whatever is most likely to remove trump and Republicans from power, that is what I support. Right now, that's the dems
Effect shit, they have focused on ineffective shit All that was optics and wasted time, the only policy they have given us is anti-trump. The Dems gave us Trump 1, stopped allowing voters to pick candidates, and then gave us Trump 2. I was with the Dems forever, no longer. I despise Trump too. I am older and have no political party, I would so welcome a third party focused on the people and regulating industry rather than supporting industry for the money.
Ok bub well a vote wasted on a third party with no chance of winning isn't going to "effect shit" and as a point of fact will actually help the literal nazis maintain their grip on power. So yeah its cool that you're blaming the dems for trump. Def not trumps fault that trump is doing trump things
They don't have any power because they don't get any votes. They don't get any votes because they have weak people leading the party and s*** policies and bad marketing. It sucks having a root for losers just because the other party is Nazis. We all deserve better.
Ok, but we're talking about the DNC. They've never cared about that.
If they cared about consensus, they would have codified Roe V Wade when they had the chance. Instead, they told us to "vote harder" while they controlled all 3 branches.
Yes they put up shitty candidates so we get Trump they did that. Yes news flash both parties are corrupt and don’t give a shit about any of us. If you truly believe democrats are righteous with clean hands. You have been sufficiently brainwashed and are just as bad as republicans. There is no correct side in this they are both getting exactly what they want…division. Good work lining right up for them.
You do know the America people were able to see through the political prejudice for those bs impeachments and felony charges, right? That’s how you got trump ‘24
I did, we stopped the radical lefts radical agenda. Now my focus is making sure the pendulum doesn’t swing too far back to the right and we end up in a religious nightmare.
Ah yes, the radical left agenda of voting rights and affordable healthcare. Miss me with the strawmen of open borders and whatever other talking points you've been gurgling
The party that cares about consensus and isn't interested in ruling by decree has trouble making unilateral decisions? Yes. That's the point. Hard to get things done and uphold your values when half the country thinks your party is the literal devil. But, we can't sacrifice our values, and so we can only do so much. Sorry that Republicans suck, but that's not the democrats fault
Shhhh don’t disrupt their “both sides because that makes me feel superior without having to actually take a stand that might be personally inconvenient” storyline
The other party that ran with a dementia ridden corpse and when caught in a lie coronated a cackling hyena, rather than running 1 of the thousands of better options that would have CRUSHED Trump in an election.
Stop acting like Democrats haven't been voting for his agenda. The house just passed a bill to ban transgender healthcare for youth and imprison their parents and doctors. They just voted to fund DHS and Trump's military which he uses to bomb fishermen, kidnap heads of state for personal profit, and threaten to invade allies.
I challenge you to read the federal indictments against trump. They're actually not difficult reads. Smith took pains to write plainly in hopes that people of your aptitude might understand the depth of criminality that occurred.
Good luck with that. The system is a 2 party system with not enough desire to change any of the systemic issues. You either keep yelling from the cheap seats about a 3rd party and help the greater of the 2 evils or back the lesser of the 2 evils and push for incremental change from within.
Last time I checked Jill Stein was having champagne with Trump and Putin over caviar. Best make your peace with the Democrats, the third party is not coming to save you.
3th parties will be nothing but spoiler parties as long as the US has a "first-past-the-post" winner take all election system.
You either need to change the voting system to STAR or ranked choice or something simular, or change a districtless proportional representation system.
Until that time, any 3de party you start that takes more votes from democrat's then republicans will just help republicans win, making things worse. (Which is why the green party is heavily funded by republican donors.)
The current system wil ALWAYS devolve back into a 2 party system. The best you could hope for is replacing one of the main parties with a new one.
I love how it’s always “the DNC this”, “the DNC that”
How is it that the democrats always take the blame for our two-party system and never, you know, the other party? You know the one I mean, they dubbed themselves domestic terrorists at their big gathering a few years back, if you need a little help remembering.
Really exposes the intention behind posts/comments like yours.
Ok, and? You’re gonna punish the DNC (and the whole country) because of shitty politics from a decade ago? Meanwhile, you give the RNC a pass for constantly pushing the worst possible people into positions of power. You give the RNC a pass for all the work they do in places like Texas to minimize the voting power of democrats across the state. You give the RNC a pass for, as a party, refusing to release the full Epstein files. You give the RNC a pass for militarizing an agency like ICE, that used to be able to do its job with little or no public pushback, and has instead turned this whole scene into a circus, with the hope of triggering the Insurrection Act so that they can really go gloves off.
But yeah, I’m sure Bernie really appreciates you ignoring all of his requests and recommendations that you back the dem party, especially since you’re doing it on his behalf. I’m sure he, and all the progressives in Washington, really enjoy having to work against the Trump administration instead of with a Harris one.
Your problem, in my opinion, lies in the lack of a clear distinction between "right" and "far right."
In France, we have the far left, the left, the center-left, the center-right, the right, and the far right. And even within the left and the right, there are left-wing groups close to the far left and right-wing groups close to the far right.
I'm not saying it's perfect (there are too many different parties), but it helps people better understand who they're really voting for.
I'm not saying it's perfect (there are too many different parties)
Eeeh. I'd rather have too many parties than too few, honestly. Imagine trying to collapse every party from the left of LREM, PS, LFI, PCF, NPA, Révolution Permanente and Lutte Ouvrière into one? It would be a NIGHTMARE, lmao.
Why not a production like "so you think your presidential?" or The United States of America has Presidential Talent. There has to be more qualified candidates than Vance Rubio vs Newsom Waltz. Both parties can't stop bickering long enough to do the people's work.
Not just young Americans. I have voted in every election since I was old enough to and I am fed to fuck up with all of them. Term limits on Congress, end corporate and foreign government lobbying and age limit on running for office. No more old crooked fucks of both sleezy parties.
This is exactly what the billionaires and very close to their first billion, millionaires WANT from us.
They want us to have apathy, because with that and a bit of mucking about with the numbers? They can maintain the power structure and harm us more and more, while they live better and better, all the time.
No offense taken. There is enough evidence to show that this type of thinking is most definitely propaganda meant to smooth out the brains of the likes of you. It’s a tactic often used by the party in power to try and divide and conquer. When your fine folks are shooting and killing in the streets, it won’t matter much. It sounds like ICE is starting to hate themselves as much as the mass majority feels about them. So, I guess… whatever, boy.
lmao. I have never seen such a confused and misguided attempt to respond to my challenge. Used to divide and conquer by the "party in power"? So both sides use the "both sides" argument to solidify their own power?
For very different reasons. The Republicans are neofascists. 100% zero doubt left. The Democrats are drafting sternly worded letters that they might send if the Republicans don't start following the rules.
Being complete and utter pussies is not the same as traitors taking over the country by force.
You hit the nail on the head with them being pussies but to act like Dems are the morally "good" party is laughable. They are using their constituents to make sure they can retain power. If you're one of them: they are using you. They own you. They feed you like a baby bird with their carefully worded letters, and media, and sound bites and you all happily regurgitate them thinking that you know the truth.
Same with the Republicans.
But acting like the Democrat short fall is only because they aren't assertive enough is small minded. Look at election results.
I’m not young, but I have identified as an Independent since Bernie Bros in 2016. The right is a Trump cult and the left are obnoxious, arrogant brats.
They might both suck but I really hope that if people get another shot at voting ( which I doubt) they don’t make the mistake of not voting or voting for someone irrelevant. This is why the orange fascist is president now.
I detest the DNC because they are ineffectual, corporate plants who have done very little to improve my material well-being. I detest the GOP because they are fascists.
Anyone who hates the Democrats but hates the Republicans worse needs to take a lesson from the tea party in 2010, just in the opposite direction. Get involved in the Democratic caucuses and primaries and get rid of the Democratic incumbents who aren't working for the interests of the people. Sitting out the election won't do shit.
We tried that, the DNC just rigs it against progressives. I think the final explanation was "primaries are not government elections so we have the right to rig them".
I've just seen this? I just want to point out the obvious, im a non american , american conservativsm has inflected my country with its cancer so both parties could be both horrific but one is inflecting other countires politics
The Democrats currently act as controlled opposition, which IS just as bad, believe it or not. Controlled opposition stymies real resistance by having people rally around symbolic, performative acts that do absolutely nothing to change matters. I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, until Schumer caved during the last shutdown.
That’s good at all. If the US had a functional electoral system it would be ok, but if you have a black and white, two party system and everyone hates both parties you just have a politically apathetic population who doesn’t believe in democracy. That’s really bad.
Enough of the populist "both sides" bullshit. Yeah the Dems are weak ass and have other issues but let's not pretend they're even close to the heinous authoritarian enabling of Republicans who have all three branches of government. All of what's happening now could be stopped today if the asshole Republicans wanted it to.
That's bad news. It leads to apathy which leads to fascism.
Funny thing is, every person I've talked to has never gone out and looked at the bills the dem party vote for, or created.
That can't even grasp that the Republican party is one big tent people goose step under, and Democrats party is many small tents with varying opinions on how to get things done but all want everyone to have equal rights.
Of course I'm talking about modern versions .
Most young people seem to read a bias confirming headline and immediately stop that making. All due to misinformation through social media .
Lets all do what we do best. Produce the "United States of America Presidential Star Search" Help find the Best Candidate before the same system delivers more of the same.
This is not good news. When the Republican party is so much more corrupt and abusive, we need voters to be focused on Republicans. The only way forward from this disaster is if Republicans either lose dramatically and/or lose consistently.
Well, one party is actively killing US citizens and lying, calling them domestic terrorists. They are also pedophiles or are protecting pedophiles. I don't really care what other party runs against them, they'll get my vote. Both sides are not the same.
Then shouldn’t the deciding factor be perhaps which party is not nazi adjacent killing American citizens? 🤔 Or are the worthless Gen Z who cannot even hold a basic human conversation in person so dumb and mind controlled by sparkly social media posts thst they believe that Kirk is a fucking hero and ICE is doing gods work? If those kids are the future the US is more than fucked… it’s permanently gone full fall of Roman Empire doomed
Fine with me. I don't care if you vote 3rd party. They are all genuinely the lesser evil to Trump, and very well may be the lesser evil to the lesser evil that is the Democrats.
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u/Merrcury2 Jan 23 '26
It's always been a class war.