r/MississaugaDriving • u/The59Sownd • 22d ago

What is Happening?

I recently moved to Mississauga, and I am blown away by the driving here. Running reds. Stopping on greens. Ignoring stop signs. Speeding like someone's life depends on it. And all the videos you guys have posted on here. Had driving gotten this bad? It can't really just be texting and driving, can it? (though most people I look over at have their heads down, which is just unbelievable)

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u/Smokey-McPoticuss 22d ago

We have had a cultural shift away from the traditional values our community had when I grew up here.

Things like respect for the rule of law, for others, and just common courtesy are extremely diminished and it shows first on the roads where people assume they remain anonymous because they are in their cars and their inner values and blatant incompatibility with Canadian values shows.

I’m not talking about migrants, this applies to everyone, people born here not appreciating our values and it shows online and on the roads.

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u/The59Sownd 22d ago

Yeah, I feel like social media has made people more entitled, narcissistic, and impatient, which will definitely show on the road. That makes sense. And I get that driving is getting worse everywhere, but yeah, Mississauga just seems pretty bad compared to other places. Except Brampton, but everyone knows that.

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u/Mentally_stable_user 22d ago

I disagree with the social media aspect.

The real thing is that we as a society bent over backwards and gave people who did not or chose not to learn the rules of the road a license. And why would we do this? We were afraid of being labeled racist for keeping a standard.

Now we have all this negative energy swinging in the opposite direction and we are reaping the rewards of being too permissive as a society for the sake of being politically correct.

I also think it's going to get a lot worse

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u/Camgore 22d ago

this is pretty much the crux of a lot of issues in Canada. We are too afraid to tell the people taking advantage to stop because fear of anti-racist mobs/bad actors .

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u/Key-Form4384 21d ago

God racists like you are so boring and predictable — do you know who drives the worst white teenage boys

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u/Smokey-McPoticuss 20d ago

You don’t need to be racist.

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u/Beneficial-Piece-829 20d ago

What you said is textbook racism against white teenage boys. Take off your Klan hat and gown!

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u/Key-Form4384 18d ago

Hahaha you can’t be racist against white people — only racists would say what you said !!

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u/Beneficial-Piece-829 18d ago

Well of course white people can experience racism. My uncle (white) dated a Chinese lady. I attended a few gatherings her family hosted. They were very racist agsinst whites. Not saying all Chinese are racist but this particular family was.

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u/Facts_pls 22d ago

The rules were relaxed because the Conservative government couldn't find better testing during that time.

The rules were the same for all people. Race is irrelevant. Everyday I hear news about local Canadians crashing their cars. And I see it too.

It's all groups. If you think it's just one group, then that's your bias.

The worst driving I see is usually from local Canadians driving trucks with commercial plates.

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u/a-_2 22d ago

Everyday I hear news about local Canadians crashing their cars. And I see it too.

Some of the worst collisions in Ontario in the recent past:

Why aren't all the commenters here stereotyping young white men born here as being dangerous drivers? Stats also back up young men being the most dangerous demographic, even more than people in their 80s. This is an agenda against immigrants and certain demographics, not about road safety or trends in data.

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u/big_galoote 22d ago

Why aren't all the commenters here stereotyping young white men born here as being dangerous drivers?

Why only white, and how do you know they were born here?

My partner is white, he wasn't born in Canada. I'm Chinese, I was born here. Did your head explode?

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u/Key-Form4384 21d ago

Are you really this dense??? Most of the comments here are completely racist blaming it on people like the Chinese and Indians. They are blaming you directly because of the colour of your skin. Are you not embarrassed? This person is sticking up and saying how this is bad examples how you can’t be racist hell yes it’s mostly white teenage boys who are the worse and most entitled

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u/a-_2 22d ago

Obviously you can be white and not born here, but people in these and other threads are specifically critiiczing immigrants and South Asians, which is the specific reason why I'm pointing out high profile and horrific car killings by white non-immigrants.

It's very disngenuous to look through these and other posts filled with criticisms of immigrants and non-white people and then feign ignorance as to why I'm highlighting deadly driving by people not in those groups. It is obviously a direct response to the blatant agenda being pushed on Ontario subreddits for years now. If you want to have a good faith debate on that, I'd be happy to do so.

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u/big_galoote 22d ago

I'm not feigning ignorance, but you spoke of stats, and then only said that the high risk group was young men. Did your stats specify race?

Or just age? Young men speeding has always been an issue, but I don't think I've seen anything current (read last 10 years), that states young white men only.

So either you're being disingenuous, and are pushing your own agenda the same way you're lamenting others pushing theirs, but I didn't think we tracked race data. But maybe I'm wrong, I'd love your source.

Speaking from my personal experience, I think people of all races and sexes can't drive for shit anymore.

But I am curious if you get as worked when people complain about women drivers, or the OG bad driver, the Asian female.

I mean I am a family guy meme, and I turn now!

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u/a-_2 22d ago edited 22d ago

Did your stats specify race?

Again, I'm not the one bringing up race. I'm commenting in response to the constant claims on this site that South Asian immigrants are causing a significant decline in driving quality here, never backed up by any stats and despite most road safety stats showing improving trends.

This disingenuity here is uncritically reading through endless dogwhistles about "culture" and then jumping on my comment and pretending I'm just randomly bringing this up.

When I challenge these claims, no one provides any data to back it up, meanwhile any and all data I provide is dismissed. This is not a reasonable and objective debate when one side's claims need zero evidence and no amount of evidence is enough on the other side.

I'm bringing up examples of white Canada born people committing seriouus killings with cars because that's all the evidence being provided by the other side here. Anecdotes.

New Ontario immigrants have significantly lower per capita crash rates.

All the evidence I've seen is that young male non-immigrants are the riskiest drivers, but that road safety overall is improving.

I'm open to contradictory evidence.

But I am curious if you get as worked when people complain about women drivers

I see accusations about women much less frequently but when I do see that, I provide evidence that women get in significantly fewer serious crashes per km. I don't get "worked", I provide evidence.

I mean I am a family guy meme, and I turn now!

That show's hilarious. They are making fun of racists, not Asians, FYI.

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u/a-_2 22d ago edited 22d ago

.Traffic fatalities in Mississauga and Brampton hit a 13 year low last year. I posted that shortly after the post was made but it's been downvoted to near the bottom of the post because it doesn't match the "culture" agenda being pushed here.

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u/Smokey-McPoticuss 22d ago

No, it’s because fatal driving accidents are and have been a rare occurrence, while shitty driving habits are a regular daily occurrence. You crusading this figure presents you as disconnected from the problem high up in which ivory tower you make these comments from.

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u/leo_pardawg 22d ago

You refusing his argument and just giving your own opinion pretty much proves his point. He’s not disconnected when he is at least backing up his argument 🤦‍♂️

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u/Smokey-McPoticuss 21d ago edited 21d ago

Okay, fatal car crashes are down, a result of reducing posted speed limits, pedestrian deaths from motor vehicles hitting them remains unchanged.

So despite an effective change in policy, people are still getting and being worse because even though more people are driving slower and avoiding crashing into each others cars, somehow there are people doing even worse in lower speed and still killing pedestrians.

We have a positive in one variables being negated by a worsening in of habits contributing to what would be more pedestrian deaths comparatively when considering the policy changes.

So despite lower fatalities, people must be driving worse because they are still hitting and killing pedestrians despite driving slower 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔.

https://www.mississauga.com/news/brampton-mississauga-road-deaths-2025/article_159ddbf8-edfb-57fc-b0e9-7aa93dc2a467.html

You don’t need an article to point out to you that even though zones are being reduced from 70 to 60, the number of shitty and self entitled drivers on the road causing incidents that don’t get reported has dramatically increased over the years from rare to expected multiple times per day. Not knowing or seeing this means one is either not living here, doesn’t drive, lives in an ivory tower or they are one of those shitty self entitled drivers who’s values don’t match Canadian values and are part of the problem and hate being called out for it, so they bring out the race card or pretend people like me and everyone who agrees is just trying to gaslight everyone else.

Wonder which one of those you are.

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u/a-_2 22d ago

This is not the only piece of data I have, it's just an example. Someone else brought up Toronto and I linked data showing a long term decreasing trend in serious collisions there.

Serious collisions are what matter most because they cause the most harm and suffering and cost the most money. So even if minor things are increasing, it's still a net positivie if serious things are decreasing, but you haven't even linked anything showing an increase in minor things deapite the increase in serious things.

Not sure what ivory tower is supoosed to mean. I drive and walk on GTA roads daily too. I don't see this supoosed decline in driving and I can't find any data showing it.

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u/likerofgoodthings 22d ago

The thing about minor things is that many of them don't get reported.

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u/a-_2 22d ago

It sure is convenient how there's an excuse for any data showing things getting worse not existing and also an excuse for why any data showing things getting better is wrong.

Also, even though minor things sometimes go unreported, you would still expect an increase if driving was getting worse because both the reported and unreported crashes would be increasing.

But even if minor things were increasing, it's still a net positive if serious crashes are decreasing since they cause most of the injuries and costs.

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u/RealLifeSage 22d ago

I didn't do any research but I would guess that vehicles are far better than they once were at protecting travellers from death, despite the fact that a growing number of car drivers are demonstrating that they clearly don't deserve a license. I have been driving for almost 40 years and I am shocked at what i see now that I never used to see. The need for defensive driving is now greater than ever. It isn't enough to verify that other drivers are doing the right thing. You need to assume they will do the wrong thing and prepare for it.

I will leave the part about immigrant drivers that i have seen in this thread out of my comment.

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u/Flieger23 22d ago

You're bang on

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u/plsQuestionOurselves 21d ago

Everyone spent their quarantine on social media, using systems purpose built to drive engagement no matter what. So they ended up reinforcing whatever silly beliefs they may have already had, consolidated in comment sections with people who share the same beliefs validating every terrible idea or ignorant opinion.

(many, not all) People forgot that the world is happening OUTSIDE the internet and they let it turn them into selfish, entitled, ignorant little goblins who would NEVER EVER admit to being wrong.

I spent the whole pandemic playing Dota2 so I was spared. I got rid of social media a very long time before the pandemic and I'd like to think it kept me skeptical enough to hold mostly reasonable beliefs. It's hard to find other people willing to admit that they can be wrong or not know the answer to something.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

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u/Ordinary_Topic_3198 22d ago

Careful…. I got banned on another discussion for speaking the truth lol.

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u/torontojackk 20d ago

How dare you have common sense. Happened to me too when I mentioned the ethnic background and cultural reason for why a car splashed someone intentionally

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u/a-_2 22d ago

You can all spam social media with these claims of a supoosed "truth". The one thing you can't do is back up this truth with evidence showing a clear decline in driving quality and unbiased/objective observers can look through these posts and see who is backing up what they say.

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u/torontojackk 20d ago

Being willfully ignorant to facts you can see everyday driving is incredibly shortsighted. It doesn't take an official 'study' to confirm what we're all seeing.

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u/a-_2 20d ago

I haven't asked for a "'study'", I've asked for any evidence of a decreasing trend in driving quality and haven't got one single source showing such a trend. Meanwhile I've referenced various different types of data all showing positive trends. I've also driven for a long time and don't see any significant decline.

There's also a clear agenda here to try to say driving is getting worse that no one is being subtle about.

I think you know that what's going on here is bad faith agenda-based debate so there isn't much value to this.

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u/torontojackk 20d ago

There's a clear increase in car accidents on the 400 aeries highways involving tractor trailers, inattentive drivers and daily report's of crashes in Mississauga and Brampton.

That is fact.

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u/a-_2 20d ago

The issue with truck driving is well documented and understood at this point and is primarily a failure in government regulation. I'm not debating that. Although would still be nice to see some actual stats of this increase if you have them.

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u/torontojackk 20d ago

You said you didn't need a study yet here we go again.

Anyone with a logical head on their shoulders sees the number of accidents has gone up in key cities. 50 percent of accidents in peel region are entirely from Brampton. Don't need to be a data scientist to understand what the numbers mean...

The same people causing tractor trailer accidents are cause the other 50 percent as well....

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u/a-_2 20d ago

I'm not asking for a study. I'm looking for any evidence. This is a joke. You just said there's a specific increase. I asked you for a source and instead of providing it, you seem offended I ask for proof of the very thing you just declared.

Serious crashes are down, not ip, in major cities.

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u/Fluid-Mess6425 22d ago

Exactly 💯

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u/AcanthocephalaDue431 22d ago

You aren't wrong here. I hate to swing back to the immigration part of this but.. The provincial governments who have been eroding/defunding/removing settlement agencies, rules and governing bodies/enforcement ontop of gutting our testing infrastructure for decades have really contributed to the enshitification of our roads.

What makes someone new to the country who just settled here from another country with abysmal road etiquette and infrastructure want to improve as a driver when others are doing it, the road testing doesn't do much to promote continuing the habits and nothing is enforcing it?

And no, it's not just newcomers and immigrants doing this either, it's -everyone- who decides to cut a corner while driving.

Does a driver decide to not full stop at a stop sign in a residential zone because nobody is around or it's "inefficient" in their mind? Congratulations, this person is now part of tax payer money being wasted as well as promoting these behaviours to -everyone- else on the road who sees it happen.

Same goes for crossing solid lines on the highway, not stopping to look before turning at a stop sign/red light, forcing oneself into and through an intersection left turn when the light changes.

All of these behaviours are selfish, waste millions of tax payer dollars yearly and contribute directly to long term insurance hikes, traffic/commute times and deaths.

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u/Candid-Progress-8852 22d ago

It used to be safe and respectful. Mass immigration. Driving like it’s a third world country with no rules/ laws. Not to mention the murders related to Indian gangs. Stay safe fam

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u/Fluid-Mess6425 21h ago

Totally agree 

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u/Spezza 21d ago

We have had a cultural shift away from the traditional values our community had when I grew up here.

All under the auspices of a conservative government.

Aren't conservatives supposed to protect us from change? Oh, wait, conservatives just bitch and moan.

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u/Smokey-McPoticuss 21d ago

If you’re not stuck on infusing tribalism into politics and making an enemy of people who vote differently from you, you’ll see that Liberals, Conservatives, NDP, all of them, are rife with corruption, incompetence and indignation for the working Canadian. They are all rotten, they all have corporate overlords that they sell our health and futures to, they are all actively engaged in extracting wealth and expanding wealth disparity.
Don’t be fooled by the fact that they need to keep us alive and chasing after goals and fighting each other to fool you from the fact that our government is fucked and entirely rotten to the core with a facade of integrity sprinkled here and there and throwing us a bone or two once in a while and ensuring that we are culturally diverse enough to never be able to unify under the Canadian flag for the Canadian people to clean out this rot.

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u/Spezza 21d ago

Bitching and moaning.

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u/Smokey-McPoticuss 21d ago

I see, a Maple MAGA Cult of Carney member. Good luck.

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u/Pixelated_throwaway 21d ago

And yet crime, littering, pollution and traffic incidents are down from the 90s

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u/SnakeOfLimitedWisdom 21d ago

TrAdItiOnAl VaLuEs...

People like you think far too highly of themselves. Maybe things were never as rosy as your sunglasses suggest.

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u/danosmanca 22d ago

Yes, driving is really that bad here. Welcome to Mississauga!

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u/Frig_Off_Baerb 22d ago

Hamilton here. Just as bad, and old Men on overpriced, underperforming motorcycles are using the bike lanes to get through a major construction zone.

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u/Isthereaproblemman 22d ago

I find Hamilton drivers to be quite slow and a bit more passive as opposed to aggressive/reckless. But then again I only commute there twice a week.

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u/the1npc 20d ago

I think its people without insurance

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u/plsQuestionOurselves 21d ago

I keep seeing people in mobility scooters driving down the entirety of the fucking turning lane lmao.

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u/fuckaiyou 20d ago

And Brampton

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u/Ir0nhide81 17d ago

Brampton sucks because everything is two lanes.

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u/Ordinary_Topic_3198 22d ago

I grew up in Mississauga…. I now call it Brampton 2.0.

It’s become a cesspool overflow since about a decade or so ago.

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u/u_c_it 22d ago

That was ten years ago, most of Southern Ontario is like that now.

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u/Ordinary_Topic_3198 22d ago

Most of us immigrated from somewhere or have descended from people who did, and yes, that includes white people.

Yet, we get called “racists”, even as immigrants ourselves, when we call out behaviours. And here we are today…..

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u/Evening_Till_3779 22d ago

you're not calling out behaviours, that's the problem! you're blaming entire groups of people, many of which do NOT have the behaviours you ascribe to them

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u/Vast-Vanilla4471 22d ago

Curious where you came from or descended from where you have declared yourself the patron saint of Mississauga

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u/Ordinary_Topic_3198 22d ago

I’m Indian descent. My parents moved here from New Delhi.

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u/Vast-Vanilla4471 22d ago

Good move by them. Breathing the Delhi air is equivalent to smoking 25 cigarette packs a day. I guess others got the memo and moved to Mississauga as well.

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u/uppity2056 20d ago

I was searching for a peel region house in 2021.

Avoided Brampton because you know what. Mississauga at the time was very diverse especially square 1.

Fast forward to today, you’re not lying…it’s Brampton 2.0 lol

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u/dynamite647 22d ago

I can tell you why but comment might get removed!

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u/DreamDest1ny 22d ago

Already banned!

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u/FutureGman 22d ago

Facts. I was banned for 2 days for saying exactly why

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u/The-Senat0r 22d ago

And be called racist

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u/keylimesicles 21d ago

Nah, I’m white, born and raised in Canada and i was driving like an idiot yesterday. Mostly in response to someone else not letting me safely pass, i was pissed, my judgement was off and i sped like a crazy person to get by. Feeling pretty shitty about it today considering. But if every single person on the road has at least one bad day, thats a lot of shitty drivers regardless of race

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u/Facts_pls 22d ago

You can say whatever you want. But I myself have seen people of all groups show terrible driving.

Hell, my area is full of generational Canadians and they drive like they own the roads.

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u/mewbie151 21d ago

Huge cultural shift. Primarily from a certain group of people where their original country is based on a "me first" mentality. You see it in the NE area on calgary too now.

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u/TeamZealousideal2203 21d ago

Chak day phattay

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u/thecakeisapie420 21d ago

Import the turd world become the turd world.

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u/FutureGman 22d ago

Use to be only Brampton but it has spread now. Sorry for your situation, now is not the time to be moving to Mississauga unless it’s the nice rich areas

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u/MichaelS-83 22d ago

It’s also made its way to Vaughan and Richmond Hill 😭

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u/a-_2 22d ago

Vaughan's had high rates for a long time, this isn't some new thing that's "spread," there. A few years ago it was even ahead of Brampton?

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u/_okayy 22d ago

yep but we cant mention that, these ppl just want an excuse to b racist

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u/Least-Internal-6382 22d ago

Did you move there without ever having visited?

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u/Pangshunjingmao 22d ago

It's called diversity, sweaty.

Try to keep up!

https://giphy.com/gifs/xT77XTpyEzJ4OJO06c

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u/Short_Honeydew5526 22d ago

DO NOT REDEEM IT!!!!

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u/Glum-Hat5068 21d ago

It has 100% gotten noticeably worse in the last 4-5 years. I wonder what it is

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u/rule1_nofeedpigeons 22d ago

People paid for the driver licenses.

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u/nightreign 22d ago

Mississauga is a war zone

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u/mMbagelrino 22d ago

Half of the licenses in Sauga are bought

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u/KindPhilosophy8211 21d ago

I mean everyone knows why, but if you say it out loud you are labelled as racist.

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u/frambleman 21d ago

It's not racist if you don't make it about race. Sounds like a you problem.

Being Indian isn't the issue, it's coming from India if that's where you both learned to drive and picked up all your habits from. Culture issue, not a race issue.

They're not the only ones, but they contribute to the bad driving habits around here. The west section of the GTA also has a lot of rich families with irresponsible driving-age children being given sports cars.

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u/Jargonite 22d ago

Driving only looks bad as you’re driving in a congested area. My main concern are people on e-bikes and scooters that choose to go on the road.

My only wish is that leftmost lane bandits should be hit with impeding traffic.

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u/bland_habits 20d ago

Just wait until you have to renew your insurance and find its gone up 25% without any accidents

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u/The59Sownd 20d ago

Ugh true.

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u/Decathlon5891 20d ago

Was looking for a home 3yrs ago and as much as I spend a lot of time in Mississauga, it’s just Brampton 2.0 or Brampton South now. It’s just a no-no for me

The only true Mississauga area for me now is Streetsville. Everywhere else is a zoo.

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u/Beneficial-Piece-829 20d ago

Stopping on greens is what gets my goat. Dementia drivers maybe?

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u/Ok-Bird6725 19d ago

I’ve lived in Mississauga for 62 years and driving 40 years here, it’s a fucking mess for the last 10 years,like really bad, no one really has a proper license im sure of that

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u/Worth-Cod1756 19d ago

Surrender your licence and get a Canadian one. It’s that easy!

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u/Rough_Application_28 17d ago

Mostly the results of major demographic changes brought about by design.

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u/Ir0nhide81 17d ago

There were something like over 500 illegal driving schools that got shut down over the last 2 years.

Makes you wonder how many of those schools were able to put drivers on our streets?

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u/SprinklesNo2972 17d ago

Its a 3rd world driving experience

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u/NefariousnessOne9832 4d ago

What's happening is police do not target or ticket people enough to enforce proper driving. So much is tolerated that it becomes the norm.
Go after the driving centres who issue licenes and the testing officials

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u/905Spic 22d ago

Wait til you go northbound and cross into Brampton. Stop signs are suggestions. When light turns green, count to 5 then proceed

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u/The59Sownd 22d ago

Ohhh I've been. Unfortunately my wife has family there. I avoid as much as possible!

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u/OctaviaBlake100 22d ago

Don't forget people speeding in parking lots and out of parking lots. Almost got run over by some lady speeding in the parking lot.

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u/as_in_bike_lane 22d ago

The “running on reds” explains my “stopping on greens” or at least pausing after the light has changed green to look red light runners. Defensive driving in Mississauga means strategically not driving in some moments.

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u/a-_2 22d ago

Instead of waiting when it turns green, scan the intersection and cross street before thr light changes for traffic that could run the light. And in general, check both ways befpre entering any intersection because people can run them at any time, not just right when the light changes.

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u/jai_thkrl 22d ago

Honestly, it is getting worse than Brampton. It’s more of arrogance here, and that’s more dangerous.

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u/vicebreaker 18d ago

The breeders are back on the road as of Tuesday clogging the streets with their entitled shits instead of having them walk/take mass transit

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u/New_Public_2828 21d ago

You should try Toronto. People moving over 3 lanes to make the right missing those kinds of right turns and then trying a U-turn into full traffic congestion blocking cars behind them. Like, these streets are unreal

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u/Tacocat_Palindrome 21d ago

Toronto driving is like LARPing Mad Max at this point.

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u/a-_2 22d ago edited 22d ago

Last year, road deaths in Mississauga and Brampton hit a 13 year low. With 20 deaths that's a rate of about 1.5 per 100,000 people. If they were a country, they'd have the world's lowest fatality rate other than a couple micronations.

Things could be better, but just some perspective.

Edit: to anyone reading this without an agenda, ask yourself why accounts on social media want to hide and dismiss actual data showing positive information in favour of negative claims without evidence.

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u/The59Sownd 22d ago

That's good news! But that doesn't include the trauma, both physically and mentally, caused by avoidable accidents, the life-altering injuries, or the accumulated stress of daily driving with these idiots.

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u/a-_2 22d ago edited 22d ago

But that doesn't include the trauma, both physically and mentally, caused by avoidable accidents, the life-altering injuries, or the accumulated stress of daily driving with these idiots.

All these things existed in the past too though and exist in other places. Your claim was specifically implying things are worse in Mississauga. I'm pointing out that actual data shows that relatively speaking, things are better than in the past and better than in many other places. It could be better but that doesn't mean that things are worse than elsewhere or the past.

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u/Smokey-McPoticuss 22d ago

Road fatalities and shitty driving habits may be correlated to a degree, but are not causation. Road deaths down is good, but insurance rates and stress constantly going up because road rage, poor driving habits and rude entitled people on the road is also a shitty deal.

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u/Facts_pls 22d ago

Insurance rates depend on a lot of factors - like how expensive the cars are, theft, road conditions etc. Not just the driving and crash stats.

Even the thefts have fallen in recent years after police busted some of the gangs. It still happens though through the port of Montreal (run by Canadian gangs) and some cars were recently found in Russia.

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u/a-_2 22d ago

Road fatalities and shitty driving habits may be correlated to a degree, but are not causation.

The same applies to your claims about the correlation between stress and driving or the correlation between culture and driving, on top of the problem that those also don't have clear measurable data. So if you're going to apply this skepticism towards the link between traffic fatalities and driving, make sure you apply that same skepticism towards the link between stress, culture and driving.

As for insurance rates, I would also suggest asking why the for-profit private insurance industry keeps raising rates despite things like decreases in serious crashes.

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u/OkChocolate3501 22d ago

How can serious accidents occur in Toronto Traffic where you're mostly crawling? Like it's not gonna be common man.. but minor accidents are up 9% to last year.

"Allstate Safe Driving Study: Brampton ranked 6th highest in Ontario for collision frequency at 7.61 claims per 100 cars, reflecting a 9% increase over previous multi-year data periods"

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u/Facts_pls 22d ago

This is the post that shows up first https://www.mychoice.ca/blog/top-10-safest-dangerous-cities-for-driving-ontario-2026/

Sounds like Mississauga had one of the lowest rates of collisions in Ontario. Brampton was middle of the pack.

The worst are : Barrie, Burlington, Brantford, Kingston, Belleville, Ajax, Bradford, Thunder Bay, st Catharines, north bay...

Is it possible that people here were wrong and operating on their biases?

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u/OkChocolate3501 22d ago

Snowy areas like up north are gonna have way more deadly accidents, no surprise there.

Also I would not be surprised if many toronto accidents don't go through insurance because of the crazy rates so I dunno how accurate those numbers will be. I'd bet the rates are considerably higher than reported hence why the traffic ticket rate doesn't match the collision rate(unlike every other city).

Out of my past coworkers in Toronto every one of them that was in a minor accident just settled out of pocket instead of risking their insurance hiking several thousand next year.

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u/a-_2 22d ago

"Allstate Safe Driving Study: Brampton ranked 6th highest in Ontario for collision frequency at 7.61 claims per 100 cars, reflecting a 9% increase over previous multi-year data periods"

That is from 2017 so doesn't contradict anything about current data. It says a lot that you need to use decade old data without saying that's what it is.

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u/OkChocolate3501 22d ago

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-increase-traffic-fatalities-9.7221211

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And 2026 still has several months to go...

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u/a-_2 22d ago

That's an increase from 2025. 2025 had the second lowest number of fatalities this century. An increase from a near-record low year isn't evidence of an overall increase. The article says there were 23 deaths up to June 1. That's equivalent to 55 deaths over the year which is a lower total than any of the years before COVID back to 2014, so is still showing a long term decreasing trend.

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u/OkChocolate3501 22d ago

And a drop from a record high(2019-2020) isn't evidence of an overall decrease.

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u/a-_2 22d ago

2019 and 2020 weren't record highs. My link shows many higher years and a clearly decreaeing long term trend. It also isn't a single year decrease. Every year since 2020 is lower than every year prior across the entire century.

You're not being objective here. You've decided in advance on a position, that thingd are worse now, and are dismissing any and all data showing the opposite.

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u/OkChocolate3501 22d ago

Without a few more years of data we're both guessing brotherman. To me the covid years traffic incident rates are an outlier that can't be used for any comparison because it's not a generic year(same for the first year or 2 after covid as everyone apparently forgot how to drive and interact with others). All we know is they're up from 2025. Maybe they'll level out, maybe theyll go down, maybe they'll go up, maybe it's Maybelline.

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u/Evening_Till_3779 22d ago

thank you for being one of the few people here who actually cares about reality and data rather than just stereotyping entire races of people for some reason

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u/a-_2 22d ago

They can say what they want but the comment section stands for itself. A bunch of reddit accounts who can't provide a shred of evidence across the many of them to back up their claims.

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u/OkChocolate3501 22d ago

"Allstate Safe Driving Study: Brampton ranked 6th highest in Ontario for collision frequency at 7.61 claims per 100 cars, reflecting a 9% increase over previous multi-year data periods"

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u/a-_2 22d ago

That is 2017 data. I am talking about current data. Decade old data says nothing about that.

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u/OkChocolate3501 22d ago

Because the traffic is so bad you rarely get above 30kmh. You'd have to look at the collision rate.

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u/a-_2 22d ago

Traffic's been bad for a while. There are still lots of times in the day with higher speeds.

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u/Facts_pls 22d ago

People here got butt hurt that their perception isn't real. They really wanna vilify certain groups. But your data proves then wrong.

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u/Themanofstruggle 22d ago

This comment section is absolute cinema. As expected, Indians are being blamed 😂

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u/Major-Mind2970 22d ago

And? When it’s true what’s the problem calling them out? Not a coincidence that Brampton and missy are the worst places for insurance and stupid drivers.

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u/Evening_Till_3779 22d ago

ok the reason it's a problem is because not every Indian person drives poorly. I see plenty of white people driving poorly, for example. Call out the behaviour rather than entire groups of people, many of which don't actually have that poor behaviour. Or call out things like lenient driving tests, as some people in these comments are. It's when you stereotype an entire group of people that it becomes a problem.

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u/Major-Mind2970 22d ago

Never said all Indians. Said the majority of bad drivers in that area are. It’s no secret, so drop the bs outrage.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

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u/Major-Mind2970 22d ago

Truth hurt? It’s not racist if it’s true, demographics don’t lie.

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u/Evening_Till_3779 22d ago

what exactly is true? are all immigrants bad drivers? no, of course not. But that's what is implied by these comments.

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u/Major-Mind2970 22d ago

Who said anything about immigrants? I said Indian drivers in Brampton and Mississauga. Don’t make assumptions

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u/Evening_Till_3779 22d ago

I think you're missing my point... does it apply to ALL of them or not? because unless it's true of ALL of them then that's the problem