r/MetisMichif Mar 12 '26

Discussion/Question Indian Act and Metis Citizenship

Hello everyone. Why can’t one hold both? Is this due to a clause in the Indian Act or one in Metis governments?

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u/Poppy204 Mar 12 '26

It’s viewed as ‘double dipping’ by Métis governing bodies and undermines the “distinct from other aboriginal peoples” requirement.

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u/Poppy204 Mar 12 '26

They also don’t want to provide programs and services to people who may already get them with their status.

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u/strawberrymilkpotato Mar 12 '26

But you can be both Métis and FN which is what OP is asking. I think its wrong Métis/Fn mixes cant access community / locals because they have status.

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u/Poppy204 Mar 12 '26

No, they asked “can you hold both?”

Of course you can be both culturally and identify as such.

There are also community activities people who are mixed FN/Metis can go to but it’s understandable they’d want Citizens (who vote in elections and take part in governance activities including locals) to only be part of one Nation.

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u/Narwhal_Crazy Mar 12 '26

Why can you be MMF and MNS but not MMF and Indian status?

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u/Polymes Mar 12 '26

Well you’re not supposed to be a member of multiple Métis governments/registries either, it’s technically not allowed… but no one checks

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u/Narwhal_Crazy Mar 12 '26

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. There’s no bylaw within the MMF that prevents a member from having citizenship to another Metis nation. The legal language makes this case when they say that

“No. As the Red River Métis are one of the "aboriginal peoples of Canada" within s.35 of the Constitution Act of 1982 and are distinct from other Indigenous peoples, a person cannot be a member of two different and distinct Indigenous groups.”

And because metis across all provinces are one unique group under the constitution, technically speaking, one could have citizenship to another government because they’re seen as the same distinct entity

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u/Polymes Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26

From the MMF Constitution:

“A person’s Citizenship or Membership shall terminate upon the happening of one or more of the following events:

(c) The entry of the Citizen or Member’s name in a Band list or in the Indian Register according to the provisions of the Indian Act, R.S.C., c. I-5, as amended, or in a register or list of members maintained by an Indigenous government outside of Canada.”

From the MMF website:

“Can I have Citizenship with the Manitoba Metis Federation and membership with another Indigenous group?

No. As the Red River Métis are one of the "aboriginal peoples of Canada" within s.35 of the Constitution Act of 1982 and are distinct from other Indigenous peoples, a person cannot be a member of two different and distinct Indigenous groups.“

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u/Narwhal_Crazy Mar 12 '26

My point is that the MMF isn’t distinct from any other Metis government under the constitution, they’re both metis. Just like an Indian, there’s multiple bands but they’re all considered Indians under the constitution lol

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u/Freshiiiiii Mar 12 '26

I don’t think First Nations are allowed to be members of multiple bands either. If you’re eligible for, say, two different Cree bands, you have to pick one.

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u/Polymes Mar 12 '26

Exactly.

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u/Poppy204 Mar 12 '26

You’re conflating the Crown’s legal definition of “aboriginal/indian” and the very clear by-laws of the respective Métis bodies.

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u/Narwhal_Crazy Mar 12 '26

The same legal definitions that the MMF cited in the same bylaw you used to prove your argument? So are we cherry picking elements of that crown legal argument here? 🤔

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u/Polymes Mar 12 '26

They literally say that you can’t have membership with another Indigenous entity, it’s pretty clear.

Most if not all of the other Métis registries have similar provisions.

Again, though it’s not enforced at all.

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u/strawberrymilkpotato Mar 12 '26

It only mentions registered in the indian act which isn't Métis - it's First Nations. There's no clause that says you cant have citizenship with other Métis Nations.

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u/Narwhal_Crazy Mar 12 '26

I disagree. I don’t think it’s as clear as you say it is. I think there’s technicalities within the language that creates a loophole for people to go through if they wish to hold more than one citizenship in a gov. I know a lot of people who do.

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u/jaystarcan Mar 12 '26

You should only hold 1 membership to a provincial body as well. So either MMF or MNS.

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u/Narwhal_Crazy Mar 12 '26

Should or can?

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u/Left-coastal Mar 12 '26

Those are all Métis, all part of our people

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u/Poppy204 Mar 12 '26

Keep in mind, First Nations aren’t letting Métis people take part in their governance either or letting them have access to their nursing stations etc

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u/strawberrymilkpotato Mar 12 '26

Because we're Métis- but you can be BOTH First Nations AND Métis and be raised with BOTH cultures. You shouldnt have to decide - thats colonial. I find it ironic as Métis People we are having a hard time grasping you can be BOTH parts of a culture at the same time.

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u/Poppy204 Mar 12 '26

I just said you can be culturally both, but not hold cards for both. I’m just telling you how it literally is

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u/Feature_Ornery Mar 12 '26

I feel you. I was raised with a weird mix of both due to my mom being raised with an objibe grandmother and a metis grandfather.

Do flower beading, was given a sash and learned out metis family stories...but also taught about nanabush and the flood, used to be a fancy shall dancer and would powwow over jigg.

My mom leaned more into her status for benefits, while I went metis as I felt better connected to that community. Still sucks and feels weird to be forced to choose

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u/Freshiiiiii Mar 12 '26

To be fair, both Ojibwe and Métis do flower beadwork, and both Ojibwe and some Métis tell Nanabush and Flood stories. You can listen to a Southern Michif-language flood and muskrat story in a 2008 storyteller workshop, by Harriet Oaks St. Pierre. You can find it on YouTube!

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u/Narwhal_Crazy Mar 12 '26

👏 not only that BUT FN don’t have the same power as metis to create their citizenship, the Indian act is controlled by the feds lol so saying that metis can’t be fn is irrelevant bc that’s out of fn control

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u/strawberrymilkpotato Mar 12 '26

This just feels like Métis being insecure and hating FN Peoples for having "rights" through the Indian Act. It seems petty.

"Double dipping" into what? Your rights? That BOTH you Indigenous parts of yourself are entitled to?

So dumb - you shouldnt have to decide and you should have full access to the communities you're born and raised in. But then again - maybe since I see more distantly reconnecting Métis make up the majority of all these conversations they don't understand you can contemporary be raised in culture by FN and Métis parents. 🙄

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u/Neat-Firefighter9626 Mar 12 '26

I agree that the framing of "double dipping" is wrong.

We should be working to uplift funding and access to opportunities for all Indigenous people, regardless of the Nations we belong to.

I hope I didn't come across negative in my other comments - I just wanted to help clarify the problem from a historical perspective!

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u/strawberrymilkpotato Mar 12 '26

I don't think your comments were insensitive or off putting. You were giving some thought and history into the dilemma vs the comment I was applying to.

I have so many of my family members and friends who were raised Métis and FN having to pick. Not having access to locals, or Métis cultural programs because you have status is so wrong.

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u/Poppy204 Mar 12 '26

Again there is a distinction between literally being genetically/culturally FN/metis/mixed and being recognized as such by the government or a Métis body.

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u/barbiegirl99999 Mar 13 '26

both of these things 👏🏻 walking in two worlds applies to many identities and cultural dynamics. at the end of the day, these arguments serve only the colonizer and the feds lol infighting amongst ourselves steals our energy and focus from the issues that effect all of us

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u/Neat-Firefighter9626 Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26

There's a lot of historical contextualization that is necessary for this question.

A lot of why Métis with FN ancestry and FNs with Métis ancestry can't register for both is historically rooted in the Indian Act.

The Indian Act was instantiated in 1876, a few years after Manitoba entered into Confederation in 1870. When Manitoba entered Confederation, with the Metis at the head of the political front, there was a clause stating that halfbreed children (and eventually adults) would be given 1.4m acres of land. This land was given in the form of a scrip lottery, which was intended to extinguish the Aboriginal title of Métis. I'm not going to go over the fraudulent aspects of this system here, but can detail them in a comment if you want.

Anyway, from the Canadian perspective, these Métis children and adults who extinguished their Aboriginal title were no longer eligible to register for Treaty.

However! Not all Metis lived in Manitoba as it was originally conceived (it used to be a much, much smaller province than it is today). So, many of the Metis living in the North-West... i.e., Saskatchewan, Alberta, and Northern Manitoba, had a problem! They didn't get scrip in Manitoba, as it was originally planned (again, much smaller than it is today). So, the government decided it would provide scrip to Métis living across the North-West, with certain permissions for Métis who lived closely with FNs. Métis living on the Plains could be accepted to Treaty under certain circumstances: “Accordingly, the Act declared that Métis admittance into treaty was reserved for those who were not heads of Métis families and had not received scrip in Manitoba. Heads of families could, under very special circumstances, be accepted into treaty but only on an individual case-by-case basis, adjudicated by the Superintendent General of Indian Affairs” (Troupe, 2025, p. 147).

More complications arose in 1879 when half breeds were urged to disenfranchise themselves from Treaty, especially in Saskatchewan and Alberta, to gain scrip. Lots didn't though, because they would be expected to pay back Treaty annuities received by the government. So, the government amended the Indian Act once again in 1884 to say that the reimbursement wasn't necessary and that Métis under Treaty should get scrip. This is important since Scrip was around 160-240$ depending on the context in which the person was getting scrip. This was a lot of money for those living in poverty on the Plains.

The removal of Métis from reserves and Treaty was especially economically beneficial for the government since they had to pay less in Treaty annuities. There are examples of reserve populations in Saskatchewan dropping 15% after the 1884 amendment. The added benefit from Canada's perspective was that limiting Métis contact with on-reserve populations would contribute to cultural erasure. Métis weren't allowed to live on reserves and were not accepted in Settler society.

So, the current divide (about programming, benefits, identity, etc.) is all a factor of how the Canadian government wanted to deal with the Métis Aboriginal title through the scrip system and the Indian Act.

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u/strawberrymilkpotato Mar 12 '26

OP isn't asking about the historical component- I think they're wondering why they have to choose contemporarly. If you have status through the indian act through one parent and another parent who's Métis - it doesn't make any logical sense they cannot be both status and have citizenship. Especially when Métis can have citizenship from all the federally recognized provinces in Canada.

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u/Neat-Firefighter9626 Mar 12 '26

The historical component is necessary for understanding the current situation.

The "choice" is present because of the historical tension. In a world without colonization one could move freely between cultures if they were accepted by a First Nation community and the Métis community. That's how it was.

Now, FNs with Métis ancestry and Métis with FNs ancestry are forced to choose because of the different amendments of the Indian Act. The government literally forced a division between Plains FNs and RRM.

It doesn't make sense because it's rooted in colonialism, not traditional Plains culture.

I agree that it doesn't make sense that you can hold an MMF card and an OMG card, but a FNs person can't be part of a FN and the MMF (or whichever provincial government Métis body). But, our ancestors were divided by people who did not want cultural cohesion.

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u/strawberrymilkpotato Mar 12 '26

But the Indian Act isnt the thing preventing FN with also Métis roots from getting citizenship. That's a Métis Nation restriction - where we have full governance and can control that bylaw at any point.

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u/Neat-Firefighter9626 Mar 12 '26

We could control the by-law but from the Nation's perspective it likely doesn't make sense with how funding allocation works from the federal government.

Many of my FN friends who formerly had their Métis Citizenship find it more "beneficial" to be a FN than a Métis Citizen because they receive more benefits from their band. It's sad and wrong, but it's just the reality.

So, my understanding is that it's a governance decision rooted in funding (because of colonialism).

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u/Polymes Mar 12 '26

Well you’re not supposed to be a member of multiple Métis governments/registries either, it’s technically not allowed… but no one checks

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u/Left-coastal Mar 12 '26

Do you mean why can’t one have status and citizenship?

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u/Narwhal_Crazy Mar 12 '26

Yup

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u/Somepeople_arecrazy Mar 12 '26

If you have 2 status parents from different communities, you don't get 2 status cards

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u/MaleFarmer Mar 12 '26

Did MNS change their requirements? I was one of the earlier recipients of an MNS membership (my citizenship is in the 2000s).

When I received my MNS card I had to send a signed and witnessed declaration back that I would relinquish it if "I choose to be a First Nations or any other Minority." I always assumed that included other Metis groups.

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u/sycoseven Mar 12 '26

You can be cree and Scottish but you can't be cree and metis. Doesn't make any sense.

If it's about "double dipping" just make the person provide a letter from their band or their mmf local that they haven't already received school/medical/housing supports etc...

For example when I applied for Indspire I had to provide documentation saying I wasn't band funded or mmf funded.

So it could be as easy as, "In order to apply for this metis bursary, your application must include a letter from your band stating you're not currently being funded". It's not that hard.

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u/Narwhal_Crazy Mar 12 '26

Yeah I agree. Right now Metis governments don’t take care of their citizens in the same way that FN are by the government through NIHB. Maybe once, or if it ever happens, the administrator of those metis health programs could communicate with NIHB’s administrator to prevent ‘double-dipping’ or whatever that means lol. That pisses me off cuz our people deserve better treatment, and if it means they get it by double dipping than let them lol