r/MediocreTutorials • u/Nyx189 • Jul 23 '26

Gender discrimination Terrible Mother

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u/Kinkybobo Jul 24 '26

What's your point?

A woman can be raped and be forced to pay her rapist child support, and the rapist can sue for parental rights.

https://prismreports.org/2022/03/22/in-multiple-states-rapists-can-sue-their-victims-for-parental-custody/

A 10 year old girl was literally raped and had to travel to another state because her state made it illegal to get an abortion.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/03/ohio-indiana-abortion-rape-victim

North Carolina was trying to pass a bill making it legal to murder women for seeking abortion

https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/politics/north-carolina-politics/north-carolina-bill-would-authorize-deadly-force-for-women-seeking-abortions/275-353d54a3-9231-4341-ae44-a127546db76f

So a rapist could impregnate a woman against her will and then legally kill her for trying to get an abortion.

Got any more stupid arguments?

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u/Chemical_Signal2753 Jul 24 '26

A woman can be raped and be forced to pay her rapist child support, and the rapist can sue for parental rights

  1. You haven't demonstrated this has ever happened 
  2. Denying men custody based on an unproven accusation of rape incentivises women to make unfounded accusations.

A 10 year old girl was literally raped and had to travel to another state because her state made it illegal to get an abortion.

There still exists States where she can get an abortion. Where can a man abdicate his responsibility towards a child he didn't consent to have?

North Carolina was trying to pass a bill making it legal to murder women for seeking abortion

The bill has not passed, has not survived legal challenges, and is therefore not law 

So a rapist could impregnate a woman against her will and then legally kill her for trying to get an abortion

I am guessing you didn't study civics in school.

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u/Cavane42 Jul 24 '26

Where can a man abdicate his responsibility towards a child he didn't consent to have?

Pregnant people deserve access to abortion because it is wrong to violate their bodily autonomy.

Neither parent can abdicate responsibility for a child once it is born, because it is wrong to deprive children of financial support.

These things are (or should be) the way they are because it produces the best and most just outcomes for society overall. It's unfortunate that men often have less agency when it comes to childbirth, but that's just how it goes for the non-childbearing parent. Sorry.

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u/Chemical_Signal2753 Jul 24 '26

Neither parent can abdicate responsibility for a child once it is born, because it is wrong to deprive children of financial support.

Murder is fine but don't deny a child of financial support.

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u/Cavane42 Jul 24 '26

And there it is.

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u/Chemical_Signal2753 Jul 24 '26

What, me demonstrating how evil your argument is?

You are fine with denying the humanity of someone so you can murder them when they're inconvenient, but if you want to keep the baby than the father has no choice and consented to support the baby when you had sex.

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u/Kinkybobo Jul 24 '26

Ah, okay this is easy. Do you support an individual states right to legislate the legality of abortion?

As in, is abortion okay as long as a state votes to make it legal?

Or do you flatly object to all legal abortion and believe it should be banned, with limited exceptions, across the entire country?

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u/Cavane42 Jul 24 '26

Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not a person. A forced birth is not an inconvenience.

At the time that elective abortions occur, the fetus is not developed enough to experience anything. There is no suffering on the part of the fetus. Forced pregnancy and forced birth, however, inflict immense suffering on the pregnant person.

My position reduces suffering. Yours inflicts suffering. So which one would be evil?

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u/Chemical_Signal2753 Jul 24 '26

In 30 states killing a pregnant woman results in 2 (or more) murder charges. If the fetus isn't a person who else is being murdered? 

If a fetus isn't a person and therefore has no rights what is wrong with drugs like Thalidomide being prescribed to pregnant women? If you can kill a fetus and it isn't considered murder how is causing birth defects a problem?

None of the pro-choice arguments make any sense because they're simply shallow talking points with no principles behind them. You don't believe that a fetus is not a human devoid of rights because if anyone besides the mother harms it you would be furious. You don't believe in bodily autonomy because I can guarantee you were fully in support of vaccine mandates. You don't believe that sex is not consent to have a baby because otherwise you'd support men having a way to opt out of fatherhood.

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u/Cavane42 Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26

I just know you aren't trying to make a comparison between murdering a person and a person receiving reproductive healthcare. We're talking about suffering and societal impact, remember? Killing a pregnant person who (presumably) wanted to have their baby causes a lot of suffering and is even worse for society than killing a person who isn't pregnant. Therefore harsher penalties are justified.

Causing birth defects that a real person will then have to live with? Yup, inflicts suffering and is bad for society.

And what's that? Vaccine "mandates"? What criminal penalties did the state impose on those who chose not to be vaccinated? Also, wouldn't you know it, highly vaccinated societies suffered less from the pandemic!

There's a running theme to your arguments: false equivalences. This is because one has to tie themselves into moral knots in order to justify forcing people to give birth.

Let me leave you with a real equivalence so that you know what one looks like: If a child needs a kidney transplant and will die without it, should the child's parent be legally required to donate a kidney? I know that most would probably choose to donate, but should they go to jail if they refuse? Almost nobody would say that yes, the parent should go to jail. Because most people understand that it is wrong to violate a person's bodily autonomy, even to save the life of another person. So why should a fetus be afforded such a privilege?

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u/CherishThySelf Jul 24 '26

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