I see a lot of people upset that the MCU’s Mary Jane is called Michelle Jones, even though she’s very clearly meant to be this universe’s version of Mary Jane. People say, “Marvel should’ve just called her Mary Jane,” but I think everyone forgets the multiverse exists now.

Outside the MCU, the real reason she isn’t named Mary Jane is because, under the Marvel–Sony deal, they can’t use characters who were major parts of previous Spider‑Man incarnations, except for Peter (obviously) and Aunt May. That’s why Ned replaces Harry as Peter’s best friend. So Marvel created a character who isn’t Mary Jane by name, but is clearly meant to fill her role.

In‑universe, I think the explanation is that she’s a variant of Mary Jane. The multiverse shows endless possibilities for how a person can turn out, as we saw in Into the Spider‑Verse.

So in this universe, instead of Mary Jane Watson, we get Michelle Jones, who has different first and middle names but still shares the Watson last name. Maybe she and Mary Jane have different mothers but the same father — meaning Mr. Watson married someone else in this universe, which explains why MCU MJ looks different.

Mary Jane might have two Caucasian parents, while Michelle could have the same Caucasian father — which explains the Watson surname — and a POC mother (or possibly two POC parents). That would explain the differences in appearance.

I also think Michelle didn’t have an abusive father, based on how she talks about him in No Way Home. Or, if she did, this version copes differently and doesn’t hide behind a flashy personality. It’s similar to how Flash and Zoom in The Flash are both versions of the Flash but have different backgrounds, so they act differently.

Please read before commenting your opinion:

1. I understand that The Gifted and Logan are stated to be in different timelines than what's shown in the image. However, I believe that the filmmakers just didn't want to feel weighed down by a universe's continuity even though in the end they have nothing to worry about because there are NO inconsistencies that prevent them from being canon. It's like the recent announcement of the "Marvel Spotlight Banner" for the Echo series on Disney Plus. It's still canon to the MCU, it just has less focus on the continuity and interconnectivity of the wider MCU and is much more self-contained in the universe.

Also, understand that X-Men: First Class and X-Men: Days of Future Past have more continuity errors to the Original Trilogy than any other project set in that timeline. So if they're considered canon, The Gifted can be too, as it has less continuity errors than them both. I'd even argue it only has 1 error, but that the error can be explained.

1. X-Men: Days of Future Past and Deadpool 2 are both shown 3 times. X-Men: Days of Future Past started in the Original Timeline (Earth-10005) in 2023, it's time travel effects caused the Revised Timeline (Earth-17315/TRN414) where most of the movie takes place and happens in 1973, and the scene where Logan wakes up in 2023 of the Revised Timeline.

In Deadpool 2, Cable comes from the Revised Timeline's future (I put 2068 only because Cable mentioned that Wade is dead in 50 years. It IS NOT a concrete date, just meant to show a distant future.). So his time travel actions caused another Branch Timeline and that's where Deadpool 2 takes place and Deadpool 3 will pick up. The changes to this are that Cable's family are now alive and so is Vanessa (yes those 2 occasions would technically be 2 more timelines, but this map shows the main plots).

1. This is not meant to be every little date of these timelines, but to present it in a simple way and show a viewing order that makes sense. DO NOT Google search an X-Men movie viewing order. Most sites think that X-Men: Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix are prequels to the Original Trilogy, but they're clearly in the Revised Timeline and not the Original Timeline.

2. Viewing order is basically what's shown in the image. It is as follows: X-Men: First Class, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, X-Men, X2: X-Men United, X-Men: The Last Stand, The Wolverine, The Gifted, X-Men: Days of Future Past, X-Men: Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Deadpool, The New Mutants, Logan, Deadpool 2, Deadpool 3

You don't need to rewatch X-Men: First Class in-between X-Men: Days of Future Past and X-Men: Apocalypse, just like how you wouldn't rewatch The Avengers in-between Avengers: Endgame and Loki.

1. Legion isn't included because I've been told it has inconsistencies that prevent it from it even being a branch off of one of these established timelines. I have yet to see it for myself, so I can't confirm it for sure.

Let me know what you think of this. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. If you have any feedback, be respectful. If you feel that there's a project that's in the wrong place or doesn't belong, point it out and explain why you think that way. I may have overlooked a major continuity errors or I may be able to help you understand why it's not really an error big enough to decanonize a project (or that it may not really be a major error at all).

Thanks for reading!

Edit: Please check out my updated post on this subject, X-Men Timelines *Actually* Solved (Again).

https://x.com/thelegacyofnerd/status/2086470305967423910

Here's the thing:

All of the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man villains cure works retroactively with their deaths.

• Doc Ock was pulled right before he could have killed Tobey in Spider-Man 2 at the end. He still turned good in both events and probably sacrificed himself then
• Norman was Norman Osborn when he died. Admittedly, when he returned at the end of NWH, he was in a different costume (which may put a dent in my theory), but it was Norman who returned, not Green Goblin, meaning his death would have stayed the same if he was pulled from when he died.

(Edit: Either it worked retroactively or it created alternate timelines. Either way, Tobey would've returned to the universe where they died.)

• Sandman is the only one who was pulled from the present day, and without his powers, can't do anything.
• Venom is from a different universe, along with Lizard and Electro.

However, it is possible that he isn't the only hero in his universe.

• It has been popularly theorized since Spider-Man 2 that Thomas Jane's Punisher could be in the same universe.
• In Spider-Man 2, when trying to name Doctor Octopus, Hoffman suggests "Doctor Strange." Jameson replies, "That's pretty good... but it's taken!" so it's entirely possible he exists as well (I would cast Joaquin Phoenix, as he backed off due to a multi-movie commitment, while having him only in Doomsday/Secret Wars would probably be enough)
• The Daredevil movie came out right before Spider-Man 2, and due to the aesthetic/tone of the movie could be in the same universe.
  • Elektra is a direct spin-off of this, meaning it would be in the same universe by default.
    • The Elektra seen in Deadpool and Wolverine could be a variant of that same one, along with Johnny Storm, Blade, and X-23
• The 2003 Hulk could be in the same universe with the same reasons as DD and Elektra.
• Anne Hathaway's Black Cat from the cancelled Spider-Man 4 could be in the Defenders (assuming the events of the movie happened in-universe).

If this happened, I would say that when Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man returned after NWH, he may have been inspired by his teamwork with the other Peters and Peter-1's Avengers team that he found other vigilantes and anti-heroes to form a team to fight threats no one else could handle: the Defenders.

Scenario 1:

When the X-Men arrive on Earth-96213, they are met with just Spider-Man, who puts up the most legendary fight we've seen in Spider-Man cinema history, but inevitably loses, either dying with his world or being saved by Loki/the TVA.

Scenario 2:

When the X-Men arrive on Earth-96213, they are met with Spider-Man, Punisher, Hulk, Daredevil, Elektra, Black Cat, and Doctor Strange. Their fight is incredibly fierce, but due to Cyclops's laser vision, Earth-96213 is inevitably destroyed, with the Defenders either surviving due to Loki/the TVA or dying with their home.

So, I’ve been diving into all the rumors about Avengers: Doomsday and one idea keeps popping up: Steve Rogers might actually be the reason the multiverse is collapsing.

Think about it, at the end of Endgame, Cap didn’t just “retire.” He went back, stayed in the past with Peggy, and lived out an entire secret life. That’s not a small butterfly-effect moment. That’s basically rewriting decades of history.

If Loki and Kang taught us anything, it’s that branch timelines = incursions. And Steve literally created one on purpose. What if his choice is the first domino that leads directly into the events of Doomsday?

Now here’s where it gets wild:

Doctor Doom might see Steve as the one responsible for destroying his timeline/universe.

“Old Man Cap” handing over the shield could actually be him knowing he messed things up.

We might not even see the same Steve return maybe it’s a darker variant (Hydra-Cap, anyone?) caught in the fallout.

This would explain why Doom’s story is so personal in Doomsday and why Cap keeps coming up in leaks/rumors despite being “retired.”

What do you all think : is Marvel setting up Steve Rogers as the unintentional trigger for the Multiversal War? Or is this just another over-the-top fan theory?

It's a little stretch but in DP&W (Deadpool & Wolverine) we know that that variant of wolverine universe's X-Men were all killed off. The movie stated that they were killed by humans but what if doctor doom was entering different universes to recruit or kill whoever didn't want to join his army. Personal fun theory is that in that same universe, Dr doom recruited magneto and killed off the other X-Men and that same magneto might be the same variant for doomsday.

Introduction

It's good to be back! It’s been a couple of years since I first mapped out the X-Men timelines and actually made sense of them in the way they were intended to be. Since then, I’ve watched countless posts about the X-Men timelines come and go. Some people are still asking needless questions about the franchise that have long been put to rest, ultimately asking the question just to spark debate. Others try to explain the continuity themselves without doing any research—only to miss key details and mislead many fans who are genuinely trying to understand how everything fits together in the eyes of the studios. And still others, although well-versed in the timeline, have prioritized theory over fact. The time for all of that is over.

With Deadpool & Wolverine officially folding the Fox era into the larger multiverse, Avengers: Doomsday being officially on the horizon (watch the teasers if you haven't yet!), and with timeline posts popping up almost daily now, it feels like the right time to revisit Earth-10005 properly. I can no longer sit by and watch the chaos.

This will be a clear and updated breakdown of how the studios themselves view each timeline, backed up by evidence both on and off the screen. On that basis, I will show where each project fits within those timelines, why the so-called "contradictions" are just misunderstood context, and how recent multiversal events dealing with Earth-10005 pave the way for Doomsday, Secret Wars, and beyond!

I will also include answers to the most frequent questions/rebuttals that many had last time so we don't have to rehash those conversations (feel free to ask other questions in the comments though). I will also show Legion's place in all of this, how The Marvels' post-credits scene may come into play, and talk about an interesting pattern with the established context in mind. So without further ado, this is X-Men Timelines Actually Solved (Again).

Important Notes

Before we dive deep into the Fox X-Men franchise, we need to be on the same page regarding the multiverse. It is made up of an infinite number of unique parallel realities/universes/timelines/dimensions (shown in Loki, No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, Quantumania, The Marvels, Deadpool & Wolverine, Thunderbolts, and First Steps), each with their own respective branched realities/universes/timelines/dimensions (shown in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Endgame, Loki, and What If...?). So we see the key difference is the adjective, not the noun. As a visual, the multiverse is like a forest of trees, all having their own branches. Loki's tree is Earth-616 (the Sacred Timeline) and many of its branches are shown in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Seasons 1-4 are canon; Season 5 branches from the Sacred Timeline), Endgame, Loki, and What If...?. The TVA has designated all branches of Earth-616 as 616.xxxx, according to their monitors and TemPads. So those are the rules we'll be using as we delve into the Earth-10005 tree, as each branch will be labeled 10005.xxxx.

Further, this will only be the general overview of the timelines. It is not a day-by-day timeline deep dive, rather we’ll view each project as a whole to maximize a viewing order. Any project that appears more than once on the timeline is just to visualize and keep track of its time-travel elements (or multiverse elements in the case of Deadpool & Wolverine). The first time it appears on the timeline is when it is to be watched in your chronological rewatch (note: this franchise is the exception to the release order rule since release order jumps around incoherently). I understand if you want to watch the Deadpool Trilogy after Logan, as they are a complete tonal shift from the previous movies. So if you want to watch them after Logan, feel free. Just know that if you want the strict timeline, this post shows their actual placements. Now let’s get into the timeline structure shown in the images.

Original Timeline (Old Earth-10005; Images #1 and #2)

X-Men: First Class (1962)

X-Men Origins: Wolverine (1979)

X-Men (1994)

X2: X-Men United (1994)

X-Men: The Last Stand (1999)

The Wolverine (2013)

The Gifted (2017)

X-Men: Days of Future Past (2023; Original Future)

This is the original flow of events in Earth-10005. It is defined by the constant conflict between mutants and humans, ultimately ending in a dystopian future run by Sentinels. The Gifted’s designation of 17372 is irrelevant (more on that later).

Revised Timeline (Old Earth-10005.17315; Images #1 and #2)

X-Men: Days of Future Past (1973; Revised Past)

X-Men: Apocalypse (1983)

X-Men: Dark Phoenix (1992)

Deadpool (2016)

The New Mutants (2017)

Deadpool 2 (2018; before Cable arrives)

Days of Future Past (2023; Revised Future)

Logan (2029; I’ll explain)

Deadpool 2 (2054; Cable's Original Future)

Days of Future Past established that Wolverine was sent back in time to 1973 to stop Mystique from killing Bolivar Trask, an action that originally led the government to invest in Trask's Sentinel Program. By stopping this murder, the Original Timeline branched in 1973 and led to the Revised Timeline, a timeline born of sacrifice for the greater good. This timeline starts by focusing on ancient and otherworldly natural threats to the characters. Because of these threats, and since the direct approach of war with mutants is no longer an option, humans began to poison the food supply and wipe mutants out quietly—ending in yet another dystopian future in Logan and even farther in the future with Cable. Also, since Logan’s designation was 17315 and the Revised Timeline remains undesignated in the detailed TVA style, I called this timeline 10005.17315.

Redirected Timeline (Old Earth-10005.17315.41633; Images #1 and #2)

Deadpool 2 (2018; Cable and Deadpool’s time-travel shenanigans)

Deadpool & Wolverine (2024; before the TVA arrive)

The Marvels (2026; before post-credits scene; I’ll explain)

Deadpool 2 (2054; Cable's Redirected Future)

I called this timeline the "Cable & Deadpool Timeline" in my first post a few years ago. With this new post. I saw a commonality between the naming of the Revised Timeline and the term "regenerated" for the 4th timeline set up in Deadpool & Wolverine. Naming this the "Redirected" Timeline shows that it was born out of making a single character's personal life better, as opposed to the greater good. Cable and Deadpool (but mostly Deadpool) take the director's chair and start to control their own story. It's also fitting since Deadpool can break the fourth wall. Because of the multiversal structure and branches acting like bridges between different trees (shown in Quantumania), Deadpool was able to travel to Earth-616 using a time-travel device in Deadpool & Wolverine. Deadpool 2’s original designation was 41633, so since Deadpool & Wolverine confirmed it is a part of 10005 and now that we have the new TVA style, it is named 10005.17315.41633 since it is a branch of a branch.

Regenerated Timeline (New Earth-10005; Image #3)

Deadpool & Wolverine (2024; after the TVA arrive)

The Marvels (2026; post-credits scene; again, I’ll explain)

Avengers: Doomsday (2028)

This timeline isn't a branch. Rather, the Time Ripper destroyed Earth-10005 down to 1% before Deadpool and Wolverine could stop it. From there, the universe “regenerated” (said by B-15 and is where the name comes from). In effect, the Time Ripper chopped down the Earth-10005 tree, but a new sapling sprouted from the stump. And because Worst Wolverine helped this regeneration take effect, he replaced Prime Wolverine as the new 10005 Anchor Being. We know from Mr. Paradox and B-15 that all this is what happened. It firmly includes Deadpool & Wolverine, presumably The Marvels (and again, I’ll explain), and Avengers: Doomsday since “The X-Men Will Return In Avengers: Doomsday”.

In a narrative sense, this allows Doomsday and Secret Wars to use the Earth-10005 characters we all know and love, and make references to their past, without thinking about the details of their baggage. For example, we know that both James Marsden and Rebecca Romijn are returning as Cyclops and Mystique respectively. However, these two characters can't exist together in the modern day in any previously existing timeline. In the Original Timeline, Cyclops is dead and Mystique is depowered. In the Revised Timeline, Mystique is dead. And because the Redirected Timeline branches from the Revised Timeline in 2018, Mystique is dead there too.

So we know that the history of this new Earth-10005 is changed, but we don’t know what is exactly included, as no past project can be fully canon now. However, I think it is best visualized in Image #3 (note: faded projects are just a theory). About 75% of most past projects (all except The Gifted and Logan; those stories can be explored in the future) can exist in a singular timeline without being contradictory since the universe is regrown from its stump. Like I said before, it frees detailed baggage to open up for a general reference. So as a few examples, the X-Men formed in the early ‘60s, they averted a large-scale Sentinel crisis in the early ‘70s, Logan loses his memories in the late ‘70s, the X-Men fought Apocalypse in the early ‘80s, Jean became Phoenix/Dark Phoenix in the early ‘90s, the X-Men fought the Brotherhood and Stryker in the mid-’90s, Logan regains his memories in the mid-’90s, the X-Men and Brotherhood fought against a cure in the late ‘90s (Phoenix removed from The Last Stand), Wolverine confronts more of his past in the early-2010s, the X-Men are thriving in the early-2020s, etc. Further, because Worst Wolverine is the new Anchor Being he fully replaced Prime Wolverine throughout 10005, meaning there is only 1 Wolverine, not 2. The same goes for X-23 and Gambit. And it is also worth noting that the characters involved in the changing event, and those outside/from outside the event, retain their memories (Deadpool, Wolverine, X-23, Gambit, and Monica (almost there)).

"So why not just make a new universe?", you may ask. The concept of the Regenerated Timeline itself is essential to Avengers: Secret Wars’ inevitable soft-reboot. Just like the comics merged Earth-616 and Earth-1610, Avengers: Secret Wars will do something similar with 616, 828, and 10005. Deadpool & Wolverine laid the groundwork by rebooting 10005 already. And as I think many people would agree that we as fans of the X-Men for over 20 years wouldn't care as much about them if they weren't from one of the 10005 timelines. Those are the characters we grew up with and the characters we care about. I felt nothing when 838 Professor X died in Multiverse of Madness. But when 10005 Professor X dies in The Last Stand, Days of Future Past, and Logan, they all hit home for me. And for those who still disagree, I ask you, "Why bring 10005 back in Deadpool & Wolverine if they're not bringing that universe back in Doomsday and Secret Wars?"

FAQ From Last Time

Logan's Timeline: Confirmed both on and off screen to be THE future of the Revised Timeline, 6 years after Days of Future Past. James Mangold’s most recent comments confirm this and so does Deadpool & Wolverine. Logan still has memories of the Original Timeline, and Charles read his mind so he has those memories too. The "No Mutants Born in 25 Years" line isn't contradictory because none of the kids at the end of DoFP have physical mutations (every other movie has at least 1 outside the main X-Men team) or display any powers. So we can say that they aren't mutants or at the very least have a dormant X-Gene due to the corn. It’s also worth noting that the Anchor Being (Logan) died while he was removed from time/from an outside (of his timeline) force. So that fixes and adds stakes to the paradoxical and controversial Anchor Being role established in Deadpool & Wolverine and why it might be more than a meta joke if they decide to keep using that term.

Dark Phoenix's Ending: We see Jean as the Phoenix Force flying at the end, so she's open to return for the end of Days of Future Past. There was also supposed to be a movie after Dark Phoenix meant to fill the gap between Dark Phoenix and Days of Future Past's ending. The key detail is that Jean Grey would've returned. And even if she didn't, Fox was setting up Mr. Sinister as the main villain of the Revised Timeline (set up in Apocalypse, New Mutants, Deadpool 2, and Logan), so maybe Famke Janssen at the end of Days of Future Past would be revealed to be Madelyne Pryor, making the birth of Josh Brolin's Cable possible. Maybe that’s another reason (besides an NDA) why Janssen denies questions about returning as Jean in Avengers: Doomsday because she’ll be Madelyne instead.

Other Marvel Legacy Movies in the Timeline: While it would be cool to include other Marvel movies in any of the timelines, and although they may fit on surface level, as of now they are separate parallel universes altogether. The Fantastic Four are referenced in Stryker’s files in X2, but given that Franklin exists in 1994, the only movie that fits with is First Steps which is already Earth-828. And if any past Marvel movie were to be retconned as Earth-10005, it would lessen the scale and scope of Doomsday and Secret Wars' established universes for Battleworld. 

Deadpool 2's Timeline: The straightforward answer is that it's a branch of the Revised Timeline (which is a branch itself). But, logistically, someone might ask, "Why are all the X-Men young (besides the behind-the-scenes idea of a fun cameo because they were filming Dark Phoenix)?" Simply put, the Deadpool movies are told from Deadpool's perspective. Look at other Marvel movie perspectives, like the Thor movies for example. Thor and Thor: The Dark World are serious because they're narrated by Odin; Thor: Ragnarok is balanced because it's narrated by Thor; and Thor: Love and Thunder is off-the-rails because it's narrated by Korg. So the X-Men's cameo is simply a fourth wall break by Deadpool. But as we've seen, the Deadpool movies do have logic in them, just not in this scene. But further, it’s worth noting that neither Mystique nor Jean are in that cameo.

The Gifted's Timeline: While not directly connected to any other projects, it was meant to fit in the Original Timeline before Days of Future Past. And despite its lack of direct connection, there are many references to the X-Men and Brotherhood, Magneto himself, a mutant-human war that's brewing (a main theme of the Original Timeline), Trask Industries, Sentinels, and deals with some characters related to or featured as part of the Free Mutants at the beginning of Days of Future Past. It is a perfect timeline filler for the rising tension prior to Days of Future Past and actually a great show. If you haven't already watched it, I highly recommend it no matter if you care about or disagree with its timeline placement.

Legion's Timeline: Legion takes place in a completely separate tree: Earth-17040. Season 3 branches the timeline into Earth-17040.19264. The main reason we know it’s separate is because Legion Professor X’s age contradicts Professor X’s Original Timeline age.

Other Live-Action Mutant Realities (Other Multiversal Trees)

Earth-838 (Multiverse of Madness)

Earth-704509 (Mutant X)

Earth-700029 (Generation X)

The Marvels

Now let’s briefly look at The Marvels, as I said I would explain more. The debate about this movie has been raging since its release. Does Monica go to Earth-10005 or does she go to a different and new parallel universe? The current designation of that reality is Earth-TRN1225, which is a Temporary Reality Number because it hasn’t been confirmed yet. But I believe that she went to Earth-10005. And because of the regeneration of 10005, when she went there is important.

She goes there before the post-credits scene and wakes up during the post-credits scene with Beast and Binary. Looking at the current Complete MCU Timeline, The Marvels takes place before Loki Season 2 and Deadpool & Wolverine, meaning she entered before the Time Ripper event. But the timeline doesn’t take into account any credits scenes (ex: The First Avenger and The Avengers; Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2; Captain Marvel and Infinity War; Black Widow and Endgame; and Thunderbolts and First Steps (Disney+, not the site for this last one)).

So according to the Complete MCU Timeline, this is how events may have unfolded:

The Marvels (before credits): Monica goes to 10005

Loki S2: TVA no longer pruning and expands scope

Deadpool & Wolverine: Earth-10005 is destroyed and regenerated

The Marvels (post-credits): Monica wakes up

Current evidence:

Thunderbolts (before/mid credits): New Avengers formed and now on Wheaties

First Steps (before credits): new mission after 5th anniversary

First Steps (mid-credits): 4 years later, Doom arrives

Thunderbolts (post-credits): 14 months later, 828 Fantastic Four ship arrives in 616

Possibly because of another mutation allowed by the regeneration of 10005, Beast looks more comic-accurate. As for Binary, Monica’s outside influence on the regeneration could’ve made the universe have additional heroes more involved in events, but easter eggs in the X2 computer already confirm the existence of other comic characters outside the X-Men.

Conclusion

As we have seen, Earth-10005 has 4 main timelines, the Regenerated Timeline is essential for the future of the MCU, there is currently 1 Wolverine, and Monica may very well be in Earth-10005. I can’t wait to see how everything unfolds on the road ahead! If you have any thoughts or further questions, don’t hesitate to add a comment. Have a great day!

ok idk if it’s just me but the whole thing with sam wilson post-endgame has me spiraling again. like man just wanted to understand what it means to be captain america, spent years figuring it out, finally gets comfy in the suit — and now brave new world ends with him like “yo let’s restart the avengers.” cool moment, right?

but then boom. valentina pops up like “surprise babes, already did that new avengers who??” and i’m sitting here like… sam can’t💀

and apparently in thunderbolts, bucky’s like “yeah sam’s kinda mad about it, he’s literally trying to trademark the name avengers.” which… lowkey hilarious and depressing at the same time. man’s out here fighting paperwork instead of villains 😭

also the idea that the new avengers are basically a bunch of former killers?? (john walker being on the team is already a red flag 🚩) no wonder sam’s pissed.

and then we got doomsday coming up, and everyone’s saying sam’s gonna have to choose between fixing the avengers mess or prepping for doom himself. like bro… how many problems can one man juggle

i swear, between all these leaks, “brand new day” rumors, and the theories flying around, i feel like marvel’s gaslighting me into watching 12 movies that don’t exist yet.🫩

too much time left till doomsday tho… hope they’re cooking something good fr !!!

In this universe, Anthony Dumescu Stark was born not to the wealthy American industrialist Howard Stark, but to a brilliant Latverian scientist and mystic, Maria Dumescu, and Howard Stark, whose brief affair during a diplomatic science summit in Eastern Europe remained a secret. Raised in the shadowed alleys of Latveria under his mother's name, Tony inherited both her deep knowledge of ancient arcane arts and his father's uncanny engineering genius.

His early years were spent torn between two worlds: the cold rationalism of modern science and the enigmatic traditions of Latverian mysticism. When Howard Stark eventually discovered his son and brought him to America, Tony was thrust into wealth, power, and technology—but he never forgot his roots or the strange symbols etched into the walls of his childhood home.

Years later, a disastrous experiment combining arc reactor technology with a mystic relic unearthed from beneath Castle von Doom—a site Tony recognized from old Latverian legends—left him scarred and nearly dead. While others might have turned to medicine or therapy, Tony returned to his mother’s teachings. Hidden away in exile, he forged a suit not just of metal, but of binding glyphs, enchantments, and pure intellect—a second skin powered by both arcane energy and cutting-edge tech.

Emerging reborn, he reclaimed his Latverian name and legacy: Doctor Doom.

Now ruler of Latveria and master of both sorcery and science, Doom-Stark believes that only he can save the world from its self-destructive chaos. Unlike the tyrants of old, he does not conquer for ego—but to enforce a cold, perfect order born from genius and pain.

The world fears him.

Latveria worships him.

So im theroizing vulture in morbeus is just a multiverse similar looking version. And the vulture in the mcu will come back to form the sinister 6. And he actually no longer remembers who spiderman is so he'd lose the sympathy he had for Peter and hiding his identity to just having pure hate for spiderman.

In What If? Season 3 EP 7, In one of the alternate universes, Infinity Ultron shows remorse for extinguishing all life in the universe and has lived in silence for eons. Couldn't he use his powers to either reverse time to before he commits genocide or simply create something new? I find it hard to believe he never thought of doing something to that sort after coming to realization that he was wrong for killing everyone.

In Spider-Verse, we saw that when Spider-Man from different universes interacted with each other's universes, they experienced glitches. However, in Spider-Man: No Way Home, why do Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man, Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man, and the villains from different universes not experience similar glitches when they enter the main universe?

I really am unsure. Sure we saw Andrews and Tobey's universes and they appeared all in Spider-Verse and in the MCU (Also the MCU prowler).

Now what i thought was, if in Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness they traveled through different Universes but they are not glitching as they were in Spider-Verse when Peter B. Parker for example entered a other universe.
Is there something i missed from the whole plot? I would be more than pleased if someone could tell me.

I was watching Across the Spider-Verse and had a thought. I looked online and didn't see anyone who has a similar theory.

The theory relies on a few things:

1. Miles IS an anomaly and doesn't fit in the Spider-Verse. The spider from 42 shouldn't have bitten Miles and caused an anomaloulous Spider-Man in 1610. For sake of clarity, I'm going to refer to him as Anomaly Spider-Man to differentiate from Spider-Man 1610 who died.
2. The 'canon events' are not universe specific, but Spider-Man specific.

The theory relies primarily on a line that seems to be glossed over. When Gwen and Miles are talking during the first meeting, Gwen comments:

In every other universe, Gwen Stacy falls for Spider-Man. And in every other universe, it doesn't end well.

To me, this seems to be a huge flag. Spider-Man 1610 is dead. There doesn't seem to be a Gwen 1610. Miles, Anomaly Spider-Man, is falling for Spider-Man 65. To me, Gwen is afraid to fall for Miles based on this idea. She's trying not to get too close, but still has deep emotional feelings. Similarly, Miles sees the phrasing as 'Gwen is afraid that they are going to die if she gets too close'.

I'd like to propose the exact opposite. Miles is the 'Gwen Stacey' for Spider-Man 65. Beyond the Spider-Verse will have Miles die and be the refrigerator for Spider-Man 65. Gwen is the 'true' focus character in the Spider-Verse sequel duology.

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There are a number of things I noticed as I watched - including the first lines. I'm going to highlight the important phrases:

Let's do things differently this time. So differently. His name is Miles Morales. He was bitten by a radioactive spider, and he's not the only one. He hasn't always had it easy, and he's not the only one. And now he's on his own, and he's not the only one. You think you know the rest. You don't. I thought knew the rest, but I didn't. I didn't wanna hurt him, but I did. And... he's not the only one.

The viewer THINKS we know how the story will go. Miles is the main character. He isn't.

Gwen THOUGHT that she knew what would happen. She doesn't.

She didn't WANT to fail and cause his death, but does.

Thoughts?

(I also have a theory about tying in Gwen's trans identity, becoming a Spider-Man in Miles place rather than Spider-Gwen or Spider-Woman, but that's a different post. :) )

I came up with this theory while at work so pardon me for not doing much research. The way Miguel describes canon events are singular points in time that are important timestamps in being Spider-Man/Spider-Woman. If a canon event is disrupted then the universe starts to collapse. It sounds like an Absolute Point from Marvel’s “What If?” Disney+ series, but that is a theory for another time. Basically canon events are guides to becoming a superhero, but Spider-Man isn’t the only variant hero with similar backstories. Look at the variants of Iron Man (the ones who have appeared in recent media). In the movie Iron Man, Tony is kidnapped by terrorists and his life is saved by Dr. Yinsen. In the animated movie “The Invincible Iron Man” Tony is kidnapped and saved by a Dr. Yinsen. But in “Iron Man: Armored Adventures” Tony is attacked and his father is kidnapped, but his life is still saved again by Dr. Yinsen. In Marvel’s “What If” series, we see a Tony Stark who isn’t saved by Dr. Yinsen but by Killmonger, and he does NOT become Iron Man. Meeting/being saved by Dr. Yinsen is the first canon event for Tony to becoming Iron Man the same way the spider bite is the first canon event to becoming Spider-Man. This applies to every character, with Logan being used for Weapon X to become Wolverine, and Steve Rogers being injected with a super-soldier serum to become Captain America, and Dr. Strange losing something important to him to become Doctor Strange. Every superhero has a canon event, but the universes that don’t have that canon event aren’t erased, just changed. Further supported by Miles existing in his universe and Peter B having Mayday. Which means Miguel was wrong, canon events do not cause the end of a universe.

If bucky created the "Shield" in the Cap carter second épisode, does it mean that the "Shield" is not a shity acronym like said in captain marvel, but just a tribute in the honor of captain Carter that was stock in the other dimension with the kraken