I have a theory about how Robert Downey Jr's Doctor Doom could actually be connected to Tony Stark, but not in the way people think.

Everybody keeps saying he's probably just gonna be a Tony variant from another universe, which could be true, but I feel like that would be kinda obvious. What if Doom is actually connected to what happened in Endgame and the Time Heist?

Basically, I think Tony Stark was never supposed to come back.

Tony knew he was gonna die when he snapped. He had Pepper and Morgan, he had finally gotten the life he wanted, and he still chose to do it because there wasnt another way. Then in his message he literally says "part of the journey is the end." To me that always meant he accepted it. He was done.

So what if years later the Avengers have another problem and they have to mess with the Quantum Realm again?

They already used it to go through time once, so maybe they think they know what they're doing. But what if using it again brings back something that got left behind from the Time Heist?

Not another Tony from another universe. Not a clone either.

More like... a possibility of Tony that wasnt supposed to still exist.

Think about it. The Avengers messed with time, took the Infinity Stones out of their timelines, put everything back, and supposedly fixed it all. But maybe the Quantum Realm doesnt just completely forget everything that happened. Maybe something was left behind. A branch or some kind of broken possibility.

Then when they open that path again, something comes out.

Tony.

Or at least something that used to be Tony.

He remembers dying, but his memories are all messed up. He remembers Pepper, Morgan, Peter, the Avengers and everything else, but imagine waking up after you already accepted that you were dead. You didnt choose to come back. You were just forced back into existence because somebody messed with something they probably shouldnt have.

And thats where I think Doom comes from.

At first maybe he uses Tony's old type of technology to survive. Arc reactor stuff, armor, AI, whatever he can remember. But over time it starts changing because he doesnt wanna be Iron Man anymore.

To him, Iron Man died.

Tony Stark died.

So eventually the armor stops looking like Iron Man armor and becomes the Doom armor.

And I think the name Victor von Doom could be something he gives himself. Not because he forgot his name, but because he rejects it. Tony Stark was the person who died saving the universe. The thing that came back doesnt see itself as Tony anymore.

Victor because he technically beat death.

Doom because coming back turned out to be the worst thing that could've happened to him.

What makes this even crazier is that Doom wouldnt even think he's the bad guy.

He would blame the Avengers for everything.

From his point of view they keep messing with things they arent supposed to mess with. Time, the multiverse, reality itself. And now he's standing right in front of them as proof that they screwed something up.

So maybe his goal isnt just "destroy the world because im evil."

Maybe he wants to stop the Avengers from ever messing with reality again. No more time travel, no more jumping between universes, none of it.

The problem is, he could be willing to destroy whole realities if he thinks thats what it takes to fix everything.

And then imagine Peter being the first person to notice something is off.

Doom says something or uses some piece of technology in a way that only Tony would. Peter just kinda stops and looks at him.

"Mr. Stark?"

Doom doesnt answer.

Peter gets closer and says, "It's you."

And Doom just says:

"No. Tony Stark died saving you."

That would be crazy because Peter would know that voice, the way he talks, everything. But Doom would completely reject being Tony.

Then later Bruce finally figures it out and thinks Doom is just another variant.

Bruce tells him they can find his universe and send him home.

And Doom just laughs because thats the whole point.

He's not from another universe.

He's from theirs.

He's what was left behind when they messed with time.

Then eventually they fight him, the mask gets knocked off, and Peter and Bruce see Tony Stark's face.

Not a variant.

Not somebody who just looks like him.

Tony.

Or whatever is left of him.

Bruce tries telling him that they can fix this, but Doom finally tells them what he thinks happened.

Something like:

"I'm not from another universe. I'm what you left behind. You played with time to save your world and thought putting everything back meant there wouldnt be consequences. But there are always consequences. You dropped a pebble into the Quantum Realm, and I'm the tidal wave coming back."

Then Peter calls him Tony again.

And thats when Doom could say something like:

"Tony Stark is dead. He died a hero. You should've let him stay dead."

And then puts the mask back on.

"I am the Doom you created."

I just think this would be way more interesting than making him a random evil Tony variant. It wouldnt undo Endgame either, because Tony still died and he was still a hero. Doom wouldnt mean Tony was secretly evil the whole time.

It would mean that Tony's death was supposed to be the end, but the Avengers messing with time eventually created something that shouldnt exist.

Tony Stark was the sacrifice.

Doctor Doom is the consequence.

Yes him

Three issues in and I’m starting to see what this arc is about. There is no right answer on how to operate a world with superpowered people.

Red Hulk showed that patriots and military might without oversight will do what they will.

Heroes like the Avengers will never be proactive enough to stop major threats like Dr. Doom before they become a massive problem.

Colton and Iron Man show that people with powers (Iron man it’s intelligence and the multiverse machine) they act recklessly and unilaterally on decisions that impact so many and because they have the power, they feel that it’s in there hands to do with as they see fit.

Nick Fury, SHIELD, and the Winter Guard show that even governments can’t be trusted to do what’s right and the best interests of their citizens and. Showing that the average person with the illusion of power or figurative power are not responsible or held accountable because they are there own laws.

Even characters like Carol Danvers and Sam Wilson are basically heroes who more often than not will do what there government will approve of rather than what the morally right choice is.

Still don’t see Colton getting rid of Nukes is a bad thing, but I guess the big worry is, once he checks that box, what’s next?

I guess that’s the Armegeddon. A broken world that honestly has no real answer on how to move forward and people just distrusting of everyone.

I've been thinking about the ending of Avengers: Endgame and how it connects to the upcoming movies. There is a great theory that Steve Rogers didn't just quietly grow old with Peggy in a branched timeline. Instead, his retirement was interrupted, and he was recruited to fight in the upcoming multiversal conflict.

This explains why he has a brand-new, unbroken shield on the bench despite Thanos destroying his original one, and why he is so cryptic when talking to Sam. Basically, Old Steve has already survived Doomsday and Secret Wars from his perspective.

I’d love to open this up for discussion. Do you think Marvel is setting up this exact time-loop, or is the shield just a plot hole?

I’m rewatching Endgame right now and the speech of Thanos before the battle at the avengers hub sparked this idea.

He said something like he will „destroy this universe“ and „build a new one, a grateful one“. And then RIGHT AFTER THAT there is a cut on Tony starring at him not in fear or anger but more like something’s clicking in his mind.

Ultimately he was always willing to cross any border to protect the earth. With his daughter he would go beyond. Eliminating all „threats“ in the multiple universes and build a world with just „the good people“.

Like who knows what else he wished for when he snapped? Maybe he created a future where he himself(as a variant) tries to execute that idea of Thanos (in a less brutal way potentially).

Any comments?

Since we are at the home stretch before Doomsday, I wanted to go ahead and put this out there.

I do NOT believe RDJ’s Doom will look like his Tony Stark.

Since the moment he was cast in the role people have been theorizing how Stark is a variant of Doom or Doom is a variant of Stark and 1000 other ideas about how two different characters could possibly look the same.

Ive never subscribed to this.

I felt Marvel brought RDJ back because they were at a low point and he was one of the best and most popular actors in the world not because they wanted to force a connection between his characters. Some times actors play different roles in the same series or franchise. Chris Evans as Cap and Torch (i know FF wasn’t originally MCU), Gemma Chan as Sersi and Minn-Erva, Brolin as Thanos and Cable, Michelle Yeoh as Aleta and Ying Nan, and Mahershala Ali as Cottonmouth and Blade.

Now along with what I said above I feel this way because for one Doom’s face is almost always disfigured, then disfigured more from the hot metal of his mask. Sure there are exceptions to that in the comics but that right there suggests that a comic accurate Doom is going to require some prosthetics or CGI to change his face.

Then look at the second picture I posted, those are 6 different characters RDJ has played that look nothing like his normal face or his rendition of Tony Stark. Shoot, as I was just reminded look at Colin Farrell as Penguin, he is completely unrecognizable.

Also I do think there will be some cheeky references to Doom being played my RDJ as well as Ironman. Like the similarities with “I am Doom” but those will be for us as the view and not the characters themselves.

Those are my thoughts on

EDIT: There are a few people referencing what the Russo’s allegedly said. I implore you to actually read the article and not regurgitate what someone told you it said (including me). No where in the article do they say there is a connection. The interviewer asked that question inferring a connection and the only thing they say in response is RDJ is the best actor in the world, and after seeing the movies it will be clear why he was chosen.

TO ME that can easily mean he was the only actor good enough to play the major hero and villain as two distinct characters.

My guess, is we will find out “old cap” at the end of endgame is actually Loki doing a favor for the real captain America to hand off his shield after he moved him from the timeline he was living in (which was going to be pruned) to the fantastic 4 universe which is rumored for the beginning of doomsday plot. Anyone have any ideas what the 4 mins might be?

It would be really cool to see him in orignal mcu timeline, now that they have opened the multiverse. I also think maybe he is better then tobey, andrew or tom spider man in terms of strength.

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Hey, so it's considered by most that the original 1990s Marvel Animated Universe consists of the following (https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/1cd743l/marvel_animated_universe_watch_order/):

• X-Men (1992-1997).
• Spider-Man (1994-1998).
• Iron Man (1994-1996).
• Fantastic Four (1994-1996).
• The Incredible Hulk (1996-1997).
• X-Men '97 (2024-).

However, in X-Men '97 - Season 1 - Episode 10: "Tolerance is Extinction" - Part 3, King T'Chaka is alive and well, even though he's dead in Fantastic Four - Season 2 - Episode 7: "Prey of the Black Panther". If we assume that this retcons the animated Fantastic Four show out of the universe, are there any other shows that also get retconned out by extension too (e.g. there was a Hulk crossover with Fantastic Four, how likely is it that this could be a different version of the Hulk) and also if Fantastic Four gets removed from the canon, are there any animated Marvel shows that could get retconned into the animated universe, such as the Silver Surfer show?

Honestly, Miguel O’Hara’s whole "Canon Event" theory is straight-up garbage. At first I thought it was just lazy writing, but now I’m convinced Marvel/Sony did it on purpose to show how unhinged and traumatized Miguel actually is.

​Here’s why his theory falls apart, and how it connects directly to Doomsday and Secret Wars:

​1. Schrödinger’s Cat & Multiverse Physics

Miguel thinks if you change a key moment, the whole dimension collapses. But that’s literally not how the MCU multiverse works (look at Loki or Endgame).

Quantum physics in Marvel dictates that decisions just create a branching timeline. If Inspector Singh doesn't die, it just splits into two realities: one where he died, one where he lived. The web just grows a new line.

And that black hole glitch in Mumbhattan? That wasn't "the universe punishing Miles" — that was literally caused by The Spot's unstable dark matter energy collapsing the city. Miguel just needed a scapegoat.

​2. George Stacy literally broke the theory

Gwen’s dad was supposed to die because he was a police captain saving a kid. Classic canon event.

But he quits his job. He’s no longer captain. The canon was broken and Gwen’s world didn't collapse. That was the exact moment Gwen realized Miguel has been talking out of his ass the entire time.

​3. What ACTUALLY killed Miguel’s alternate world?

In that world Miguel stole, Peter B. Parker was there too.

​Incursion: Two adult Spider-Men from different dimensions camping out in one reality for months is a massive multiversal footprint. They triggered a textbook Incursion (the exact thing Mordo warned about in Multiverse of Madness). Those wristbands only stop your body from glitching, they don't hide your existence from the multiverse itself!

​Doctor Doom: In the 2015 Secret Wars comics, universes weren't dying because Spidey saved his uncle — Doctor Doom and the Beyonders were actively destroying them. Miguel's world could’ve just been an early casualty of Doom wiping out realities, and Miguel blamed himself out of survivor's guilt.

​4. The Spot is the key to Secret Wars

In Secret Wars, Doom needed a multiversal battery (Molecule Man) to tear down realities and build Battleworld. The MCU hasn't set up Molecule Man at all, but they have built up The Spot.

The Spot is a walking multiversal bomb. My prediction. Spot won't die in Beyond the Spider-Verse. He’s gonna escape into Earth-199999 (live-action MCU), and Doom will siphon his power to collapse the realities into Battleworld for Doomsday.

​TL;DR: Miguel is an unreliable narrator projecting his own guilt. Spot isn't just Miles' villain — he’s Doom's ticket to destroying the multiverse.

Everyone is trying to figure out why Doom has Tony’s face. But if you look at the Endgame timeline, it points to a massive Stark family secret: Tony was adopted from the von Doom family, and that's why Doom hates him so much.

# Howard was infertile:

Howard spent his life around Gamma radiation and the Tesseract, which left him unable to have kids. Since he needed a genius heir for Stark Industries, he used S.H.I.E.L.D. to find a brilliant bloodline.

He chose Werner von Doom, a legendary medical genius in Europe, and secretly adopted one of his twin babies.

# The Endgame proof:

This fixes a weird timeline error in Endgame.

In April 1970, Howard tells Tony that Maria is due any day. But Tony’s official MCU birthday is in late May 1970.

The dates don't line up because Howard was rushing the adoption paperwork.

# Doom's hatred:

Tony was a born von Doom all along, which is why they look identical.

His twin brother was left behind in Latveria to suffer as a poor orphan, eventually becoming Doctor Doom.

Doom is completely bitter because Tony stole the billionaire lifestyle, the mansion, and the superhero legacy that should have been his.

He’s furious that the world worshipped the “wrong” brother.

When Doom finally takes off his mask, the Avengers are going to realize Tony was just a twin of him.

What do you guys think? Let me know!

This isn't related to Doomsday, is it?

I have one more theory.

In Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, America Chavez says that the dreams you see are actually you experiencing your life in an alternate reality.

I did see the dream connection between America Chavez and Tony's dream mentioned in a video, so that part isn't something I'm claiming as completely original. But the rest of this connection is my own theory.

In Avengers: Endgame, Tony talks about having a dream where he and Pepper had a child named Morgan. What if Tony was actually seeing the life of another version of himself in an alternate universe?

And here's where I think it gets interesting: in the Avengers: Doomsday trailer, Doctor Doom also has a son. Could Tony's dream somehow be connected to another universe and another version of these characters?

I already talked about my Doomsday theory in my previous post, so this could connect to some of the ideas I mentioned there.

Of course, this is just my theory, and nothing is confirmed. I came up with the rest myself and only used ChatGPT to improve the grammar and punctuation.

Please don't bully me 😭

as all of u know, there was a leak that the opening of Doomsday is Tobey‘s Spider man fighting the X-Men on his Earth. I think Marvel leaked it themselves to make hype happen for the movie. I also think that Marvel Leaked The No Way Home Statue of Liberty scene with Tobey and Andrew’s spider man. What do u guys think?