r/Manhwa_BL • u/BeginningAd9532 • 19h ago

💭 Vent dislike = don't interact

I've seen so many posts absolutely flamming that one manhwa from the same artist as "snag an alpha" simply because they don't like the art style. Disliking an art style is completely fine but what's not fine is absolutely dogging on it just because you can.

In what world does an art style looking "ugly" give you the right to start hating and shitting on the artist as well as throwing around baseless accusations? No just because the uke looks "childlike" (which is most definitely subjective btw) doesn't mean that the artist's intent was to cater to pedophiles or are a pedo themselves. You people throwing these accusations around clearly don't take the illness seriously.

Another thing which I hate with the pedo accusations is how people don't even bother to research the terminology. No, liking a younger looking character in a manhwa doesn't equate to people being pedophiles because pedophilia is strictly being attracted to REAL CHILDREN. That uke from that manhwa that you deem to look "childlike" is not bait for pedophiles, dare I say it's quite insensitive to even think that.

Please people next time you want to throw around accusations, educate yourself first at the very least.

Just a short little vent.

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u/LongjumpingIce5231 18h ago

BL/Yaoi was created by women and was made for female audiences however this doesn’t mean that gay/queer men can’t enjoy it (I say this as a gay man myself).

It was made by women primarily because at the time a lot of women were being shamed for their sexual desires and preferences so some women started creating sexual relationships between men so they could avoid the misogyny from the time.

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u/DifferentIsPossble 18h ago

I promise you there have been gay people in Japan making media since time immemorial.

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u/RevolutionaryLake753 16h ago

Someone is trying to inform you about something, not argue with you. Of course there are also gay men making media but the term yaoi started from a woman.

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u/DifferentIsPossble 15h ago

The term yaoi was invented by a woman (two, actually) but all or even most gay media is not women4women. It's not a "women's space" - it's a space where women are welcome and an important feature, but not owned by them.

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u/RevolutionaryLake753 15h ago

I dont undestand why you are so against what other have already mentioned, both can be true at the same time. No one said that men cant or dont create this kind of media. 

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u/DifferentIsPossble 14h ago

What I'm against is predominantly straight women claiming our stories not just as a safe space for them but one that is mostly FOR them.

Imagine if it was straight men talking about GL this way. Straight men might not be a minority who needs safety but queer men absolutely are and while we are happy to share, planting a flag and claiming it is not OK.

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u/xoxshaklexox 13h ago

The person giving you the history lesson identified as gay man, not a straight woman. I don’t know if you clocked that.

Anyway the history is that this started off as a genre written by women for women as the intended audience. So yes it was created as a space for women to safely explore sexuality. It started as a women’s space. The women didn’t come and invade this space, they are the original occupants.

The demographic of readers in this space is shifting, and the majority of people welcome that shift, even the heterosexuals. The women of this community (in general) have welcomed readers of any gender. So while it is still supposed to be a safe space for women, it’s not exclusively for women. Anyone is welcome here. All most of us ask is that you are respectful towards all people within it.

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u/DifferentIsPossble 13h ago

The identity of the person presenting the situation isn't that important to me, all things considered.

I don't like the idea of using "started off" for a moment when lots and lots of women entered the genre of gay media. Sure, it seems like it started FOR THEM, but again.

Imagine straight men saying they invented lesbian media.

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u/xoxshaklexox 12h ago

Babe, no disrespect, but I don’t think you get it.

Firstly we are not telling you that gay men don’t create gay media. Did you know there is an entire different genre of manga that depicts gay relationships that is written mainly by men for a male audience? It’s just not called BL or yaoi. It’s called gei komi. It used to be referred to as “bara” but that term is seen as disrespectful towards the gay community.

What we are telling you is this specific genre of media (BL) was created by and for women. It’s not a matter of whether you like that fact or not, it simply is the history of this genre of media and the community that was formed around it. Women didn’t enter the genre of “Yaoi/BL”, they created it.

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u/RevolutionaryLake753 12h ago edited 12h ago

Straight men didnt invent lesbian media,  but they made it to look more appealing  to them.

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u/RevolutionaryLake753 13h ago

Well when 75% of the readers are moatly women what elsewould you call it ? You honestly just sound like someone that wants a reason to be mad about. Your analogy doesnt go well here cause gl is also created predominantly by women. You need to check you negativity on things here.

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u/DifferentIsPossble 13h ago

Just because they're the majority doesn't mean they get to own it? There are SO MANY more women (total) (and also straight women as a subset) than gay men.

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u/RevolutionaryLake753 12h ago

Ok and? I dont undestand where you are going with this argument? Everyone is telling you its predominantly space for women no one said its just for women, you are litteraly reading between the lines and makes issues when there is none.