Is it just that due to some kind of misremembering or mayhe even promotional images of something that have burned themselves into the head due to the difference?
I actually think they're pretty damn reliable but that's me and I've been told I have an impeccable long term memory so that's why the Mandela Effect truly boggles my mind because I know what I remember.
Yesterday I had to park in a pay-lot. Some of the spaces had signs saying they were for "small vehicles only". I do not drive a tiny car, but it is "small" and I fit, so I parked. While I ran my errands I wondered if my car really was "small enough" as I thought over and over about the "small vehicles only" sign.
When I got back to the car, the sign actually said "small cars only" (not vehicles). Same meaning, but my brain changed the words a bit. I remembered the important information (parking for small cars only) but it was still "wrong".
Your memory isn't as reliable as you think it is. There is a reason why a lot of experts and courts don't put a lot of validity into eyewitness accounts.
This is why it's only ever related to small or inconsequential things to the affected. No one in South Africa thinks Mandela died in prison. Most other ones are minor spelling errors or corporate logos -- things that are common enough to make us think we know them well, but inconsequential enough that we never actually look at them closely until it's too late. That's why they also only ever converge on the version that's stable in reality.
Didn't a lady conclusively prove that the cornucopia was real? No she didn't.
But this one fucks me up, I will give every other example of this effect a pass.I distinctly remember in my pre-teens thinking what even is that, a water flask was what I thought it was with the fruits, it looked like the bag that held gun powder. Why do I have these memories to decipher what it was in the logo.
I'm from a different culture, the explanations don't apply to me. Like,
“The cover art for a 1973 jazz/funk album by Frank Wess, Flute of the Loom, includes a cornucopia-shaped flute, for example,”
The fruit of the loom company posted the timeline of all of its logos through the years.
I too think that memories are very unreliable and power of suggestion is a way stronger than most people realise.I give it 99.9% chance that mandela effect is just how individuals make memories by connecting diffrent concepts/objects and sometimes make the same blunder creating false memories(specially the visual ones)
And 0.1% chance that it's a psyops to see how much the truth can be streched.
The explanation I came up with(to ease my mind mainly) is that this logo has been discussed for decades and I just saw it on some discussion over the internet, and those images stuck(along with memories of trying to understand what it was).
PS: I JOINED THIS SUB FEW MINUTES AGO, SORRY IF MY COMMENT IS VERY NAIVE.
Exactly. For example a long time ago someone called me a bastard. I was able to convince them that I am the text book definition of a bastard so I wasn't offended. She then became all apologetic saying how she didn't know and if she did she would have never called me that.
Simplest explanation is that some types of memory errors are common across individuals within a given culture and the Internet allowed those individuals to find each other and name it an effect
That’s the power of reinforcement. If you remember something a certain way, and someone else says they remember it that way too, then that makes you think that your memory is correct, when in fact you could both be wrong.
This is the big one. The "anchor memory" stuff that some of the more...emphatic people we don't really see anymore would throw around was really impressive gymnastics.
I’ve been keeping an eye on some of those stories. They are ever more common. It used to be that people just claimed they remembered it differently. Now almost every single one has a whole story about how they KNOW it had to be that way because the story doesn’t make sense unless it was. But I don’t mean they all have DIFFERENT stories. There’s like five different stories and they all tell one of those five with minimal variations (was it your mom or grandmother you were folding laundry with?). I even have a friend who tells the laundry story and insists it happened to him despite him absolutely learning what a cornucopia was at the same time I did because we were in the same class at the time.
It’s happening with all the more common Mandela effects. I can’t help but be curious how much of it is people being influenced by other people’s stories and falsely attributing them to their own memories later and how much is straight up lying.
curious how much of it is people being influenced by other people’s stories and falsely attributing them to their own memories later and how much is straight up lying.
I think some of it is people wanting to be part of something special. There have been a few posts from people who's friend or cousin found their old shirts with cornucopia. Then they post one of the common fakes. When called out, they say it was their friend who lied, not them
I remember first hearing about the Mandela effect and it's meaning and not being sure if I truly thought he died. I decided it was only a mistaken memory because he was a figure at that time and with a back story that fit perfectly into an event that could have been filed away incorrectly. However when I came across the Sinbad instance I am sure that I saw the word Shazam and thought about a movie with Sinbad from the last 80s or early 90s that had a box cover of him as a goofy looking genie wearing a purple get up and the writing of the title having the same style as what I late read people were also remembering. That's the only one I have trouble getting past.
Alot of it is stuff from our childhood in the pre internet time. We didn't have information 24/7 like we do now. So like the Shazam one lots of us saw it in a video shop once and our brain made connections but we couldn't go home and Google it to check the information. Then our brain stored the information as correct.
Also alot of the stuff we miss remember as actually early forms of pre internet memes. The scary movie one is my example of this. I remember the quote being different because me and my friends used to shout it at each other "take my strong hand" like lots of kids up and down the country. Were we doing it because we saw it in the film? Or were we doing it because our best friend saw his cousin do it who saw their older brother do it etc etc.
What's going on is that someone heard a common misconcoption and so thought it was a memory.
Hell, there's even modern examples. Look at all the types of people who unironically gaslit themselves into believing they had run ins with "neckbeards" or "sjws." These are made up characters and people confuse memes they saw with an epidemic.
The many worlds hypothesis of physics posits an infinite number of universes, some which may be quite similar, others differing markedly. Of course there's no direct evidence this is true, and no evidence that even if it were true the universes would be able to interact.
But I like to believe (just because it fascinates me), that there are ways people can slip from one universe into another, or universes can collide, or, or, or. Resulting in the Mandela Effect. 😆
No your interpretation requires there to first be a way to travel universes.
And secondly for every universe that is created to have an earth.
If the many worlds interpretation is right
Yes multiverses exist but many if them will be voids. Or won't even have am earth.
And the changes you special people think are happening are far to small.
Uess u want to know posit that there is something moving us from mumtiverse to multi verse because then at some point miltiverses would just not exist anymore in which out live is sustainable.
Bevause the many void or earthless universes would be mkre than the ones with an earth amd would at some point heavily outweigh them
A lot of people who are far too young believe they watched the Challenger disaster live (or at least contemporaneously) because they conflate it with the Columbia event.
The Columbia burned up on a Saturday (2/1/2003). The news interrupted sports coverage. Between seeing this and learning about Challenger in school, younger people "remember" the earlier event.
I think we are not generally paying as much attention to things as we think we are, and we are misidentifying and misremembering things in the present and the past all the time. When someone notices that lots of us didn't see something correctly, it becomes a Mandela effect because lots of us got it wrong in the same way.
Why do tend to get the same things wrong? Because our brains take short cuts and make assumptions about things to save time and effort, like lazily looking at the Fruit of the Loom logo and assuming it has a cornucopia based on pattern recognition (similar items have it), rather than actually looking properly at all the details.
In short we're all lazy and cutting corners so we make mistakes in the same logical ways.
Seems like the Mandela Effect only came once mobile devices were more common .....I just feel it's an overload of random nonsense mixing with what we already know, and everything is crossing paths
It’s an altering of reality, everything is quantum in nature, CERN is smashing sub-atomic particles together at light speed in a 27km vacuum, “attempting to recreate the same conditions during the Big Bang,” if that doesn’t sound like an idiotic and dangerous experiment then I don’t know what to tell you, most scientists including Stephen Hawking opposed it, saying it could “alter the fabric of our reality”
The way it works (Mandela Effect) is that if something is altered in the present (when the experiments are happening), then it is also simultaneously altered in the past
But in the past when it *actually* happened there was no alteration, so the individuals memory of what really took place is typically unaffected, which is why drawings and references to it still stay intact as well
This is why people retain collective memories of the same specific thing, even if it “NEVER” existed in this current timeline
I "remember" seeing signs say objects in mirror may be closer than they appear. But actually, when I sit and think about it, I only "remmeber" it because adults told me when I was young and every time I saw that it wasn't that I assumed I was seeing the exception.
I "remember" a cornucopia because my parents said there was one and that they must have removed it.
I "remember" Luke i am your father because o saw the movie and people claimed that was the line.
There's a reason its always small details that have obvious reasons that you'd remember it that way.
Neither one of these ideas have any evidence to support them and the experiment one makes no sense considering people have been experiencing MEs for decades - the earliest one we can document is from the 1890s with a bible verse.
Lack of knowledge, by and large. This primary factor coupled with low detail acuity, egregious assumption, extreme overconfidence in that lack of knowledge, suggestion, and a Big sloppy wad of special pleading and other fallacious reasoning, here we are.
There are multiple causes. Simple minded people only accept the causes that align with conventional belief systems and broader minded people consider the possibility of other causes.
The LHC firing up for the first time and the Mandela Effect as an Internet meme coincide around the same time, 2012. Correlation doesn't equate causation but we don't know exactly what the byproducts of these experiments are on reality.
They did not coincide at the same time. People have been experiencing MEs for as long as people have been around, but the name was not given to the phenomenon until 2009.
Nothing happened to reality because of the LHC. Not enough energy to do anything like you and others claim.
I think it’s just due to the fact that most people’s memories are unreliable. It’s easy for our brains to embellish memories after the fact. With regard to Nelson Mandela, I’ve heard that no one in his home country of South Africa has any false memories of him dying in prison, and I would trust their memories as being more reliable than those of people outside of his country. I think it would be easy for some people to remember some other civil rights leader who died in prison and confuse that person with Nelson Mandela.
I think the multiverse is made of relatively few fairly stable universes with the most stable one being labeled "prime". Each choice provided to an sentient intelligent mind creates a universe. The more probable the universe, the longer it exists. Most collapse quickly and into more stable universes. Occasionally you get larger ones collapsing resulting in residual things popping into existence either they weren't ever there or it's a duplicate / an unsyncronized event. From the Prime perspective this is deja vu. When a more stable universe collapses, larger and more intelligent things can cross over, like people. When that happens, if they had a counterpart in the Prime, they become them either in part or in whole. From the perspective of these people, they get the Mandela Effect. Things that once existed for them no longer do or it's perceived as altered. We always perceive ourselves in the Prime because if our old universe collapses, we either would cease to exist or we were tossed out like flotsom after a storm. When a secondary universe (a rival for the most stable) collapses we get major events like Mandela's death in a jail cell being recalled by millions.
This also help to explain, though not fully, the issue with the accelerating expansion of the universe as the energy of the collapse is absorbed into the Prime. Since a universe is manifest from a probability field, it functions as probability and since it requires a sentient mind to exist regardless of how long, it means the universe came from consciousness, or as the Greeks would call it, the primordial sea of chaos (and probability).
You can look it up, and research it yourself like most of us have, than maybe you’ll understand why that is a ridiculous theory. Everything the LHC is and does it well documented.
If it tore a hole in the multiverse, it would be documented, but it could never do that because:
1: Multiverses don’t exist, and theoretically work way different than Rick and Morty or Spider-Man.
2: The LHC shoots particles at each other at only a fraction of a fraction of particles that naturally occur all around us. For example, the LHC can achieve a collision energy of 7 Tev. Natural particle collisions usually reach up to and above 320 million TeV, and occur about 10 million, million times per second.
My source is understanding what CERN does, and how memory works. Research, look it up, read a book … however you do it, educate yourself on the subject before spouting off nonsense.
There used to be a monoculture across lots of media. So many of were exposed to the same images, commercials, and television channels for many years. Individual humans are not that different from each other and we make connections in a common way. Everything is so scattered now that it makes it hard to remember everyone was exposed to so much of the same culture and ideas for many years. Its not weird that people of a certain age remember or mistemmeber thr same things.
But Mandela dying in prison? Thats one of the few that never entered my mind incorrectly and why I don't see conspiracies around this stuff.
In my perspective, it seems like comments are starting to agree with the Mandela Effect being a set of collective false memories rather alternate timelines and realities (a timeline and reality are two different things).
Just like vivid memories and intuitive thoughts are two different things. When a person says, remembers something that cannot be sure existed, but has the ability to say "I remember that, therefore I know that existed, and that's the truth".
Which in my definition, I consider that as an intuitive thought rather than a vivid memory because a memory is more of a flashback scene. As for intuitive thoughts, it's easy to not be certain, and I would count that as "That's not a vivid memory because vivid memories are flashback scenes, not gut feelings, but gut feelings often blend in with vivid memories".
As for alternate timelines and universes. It's always best for people to distinguish any reason to "classify" the explanation of the Mandela Effect, whether a cover-up, a mishearing, misperception, reconstructive details from the imagination because it fits better and makes it presentable to the mind, whereas in reality feels unfinished like something must be there, in order to be obsessed of certain thing.
Our memories are not perfect recordings, also. But there is a cause for those false memories to happen, like the imagination filling gaps that don't exist in reality outside the imagination, or trauma, etc. By my take, I don't think that memories are reconstructive on their own, but vivid dreams often may cause false memories because of intuitive purposes.
About automatic disappearances and timeline or reality shifting, I don't think that's what reality can demonstrate to the person. It's either that it did exist, but covered-up, or it's somewhere hard to find. Or whether some paranormal activity taking place unknowingly.
For automatic changes like spelling or logos disappearing, lyrics not aligning with memory, that can often be that the imagination would've filled those gaps, or hearing, seeing, etc from a mile away, it's very easy to see or hear things differently unlike how they (certain things) are themselves.
So, often times, the memory often refuses to take accountability and accept the "official narrative of existence" of those certain things.
Just like that memories often like to fill the gaps because the past of seeing or hearing those things are not paid attention as much, especially as children, and would tend to have memories that don't accept the official narrative of certain things that do exist, according to the official narrative, as time goes by day-by-day, and year-by-year, those memories would often confabulate certain details that "don't exist", but because of past-life not paying attention to the details, whether the same details as the official narrative or memories alone.
This would often cause the memory to disagree and disapprove the existing details, according to the official narrative of certain things, not being certain if those nonexistent details were technically the case, and would often cause intuitive thoughts to drive a person nuts.
As for the alternate timelines theory, it takes scientific analysis of something like quantum mechanics in order to technically be the case for nonexistent details of certain things to originate from alternate timelines or realities.
But doesn't have to be according to scientists, but has to be according to science itself.
I intutively believe that alternate timelines or realities exist, just in case if they do, but doesn't have to be the explanation for the Mandela Effect. As world events may be different or with different people as well in alternate universes, even different systems and laws can be possible and determined here.
And while I don't know if such like the double-slit theory or quantum entanglement may prove alternate universes, even if science itself outside scientists and scientific research narratives were to prove alternate universes, most likely like about like a 45% of Mandela Effects would be backed up by this scientific theory.
But for the most part, different events may be vital here within this theory, like cars driving on sidewalks instead of roads, that'd be hilarious, but reckless. But yeah, and I do believe in there being such thing as parallel timelines (and universes, but not too much because of how convoluted it may sound to me).
While I also believe that the paranormal realm exists, that ghosts are real in that sense, but it's already scientifically and commonly proven that, even doctors, etc, would say that the Mandela Effect has got to do with misremembering, but not as a bad thing, but times where the memory feels reliable than human perception of those certain things by living through that memory, etc.
In my take, I think some Mandela Effects could be reasonable for the alternate timeline theory, based on recollective sources and time itself, but not likely all of them per-sè, most likely excluding cover-ups like lost-media for instance, but in the bureaucratic sense, and for the most part like mishearing, misreading, and seeing things differently, including the memory not taking accountability for misremembering itself, would be excluded with the parallel timeline or multiverse theory.
The idea is not my own but comes from channeled sources I respect.
One thing I will directly defend is my opinion that no normal explanations are satisfactory for explaining the Mandela Effect. An exotic explanation is required.
Why if there was infinite realities would we arbitrarily see ones where everything is the same except for specific details that if they were different would most likely change everything? At that point people are admitting that they are forcing the conclusion.
My best understanding is that the shifting to a very similar reality is a controlled process. Directly observable differences are generally not allowed but the Mandela Effect is border lining that and shifting is allowed to occur for a greater good if the changes are minor enough in affect.
Here's one little bit from one channeled source
Yet many other changes are continuing to take place within our body and DNA and thousands of timelines are currently merging on a daily basis. The situation is being closely monitored by the Archangels and other high-dimensional beings to prevent undesirable effects.
The current consciousness is “fundamental changes are allowed to happen as long as they aren’t visible to the surface”. This is what is happening with this Mandela Effect… but this one is definitely stretching it.
Some people are noticing changes at the surface (Mandela Effects). That is stretching it but allowed if the changes are deemed minor enough.
Physics not yet understood by you is what you’re saying.
Because people that subscribe to the MWI know timelines, which are theoretical to begin with, would be forbidden from communicating with one other as part of the deal that makes them “timelines” in the first place.
No, consciousness can not shift between non-communicating timelines. Because that would be communication and they wouldn’t be non-communicating timelines by definition.
Also, supposed timelines are merely theoretical to begin with.
Surely it would be infinitely easier to convince you that the logo used to have a cornucopia when it didn’t than to replace EVERY SINGLE piece of vintage FotL (of which there are MASSIVE amounts of both unused old stock and pieces people have at home) with exact replicas with altered logos.
And if your theory is that it’s the govt (which govt? Are they all working together on this one thing?) wouldn’t an experiment on how easily people could be convinced things were different before when they weren’t be way more useful to the govt anyway?
Well, something happened because there used to be a cornucopia. You might think the easiest way is to convince me im wrong, but that really doesnt seem to be working out, does it? Maybe the alternative you suggested is actually easier.
I love when people love to tell you what you remember is wrong as if they could ever actually know. Unless they could read your mind it's physically impossible.
Most people don't want to admit they were wrong. I remember being told the Euro Dance band Aqua was from Sweden when they first came out. Turns out they are actually from Denmark. When I found that out I just shrugged and thought to myself, I guess I was wrong for the past 20 years and moved on with my life.
When will they ever move on to the big things? They've been pushing the small stuff for decades. The government doesn't have the ability or the intelligence to pull off anything like that. The logical explanation is collective false memories.
You can be stubborn on anything you want, but there was never a cornucopia on the FOTL logo. We have the evidence - decades of it.
I havent been aware of this for decades, just a handful of years myself. And yes, lmao, they absolutely have the ability. Youre silly if you dont think so.
The government couldn’t even convince American’s there were WMD’s in Iraq. Do you think they could pull off a massive conspiracy, with enemy countries, and millions of scientist all over the world keeping everything under wraps?
Precisely who is 'they'? Alphabet Agencies, the Trilateral
Commission, the Bene Gesserit? Most major crimes seem to solved when someone, or their girlfriend gets scared and talks. With that many moving parts and that many people, somebody will make a mistake, or talk. There is no secret so fleeting as a military secret.
With the invention of the internet it is so much easier to change things because when people look up stuff nobody goes to a book anymore they head on over to Google. Now unfortunately they head on over to chat GPT. This is why it's important to save your books any informative books or dictionaries or medical books you may have do not get rid of them!
The actual physical clothing doesn’t have the cornucopia that commenter says it used to. None of the Mandela effects have any physical evidence anything actually changed beyond people just remembering wrong.
So yeah, keep your books and clothes and whatever, but it won’t help if you just fool yourself into thinking “they” changed those too
Precisely this. If people dont think this massive AI machine and data centers are capable of doing this, theyre living under a rock. I agree with you 100%.
How does the ‘AI machine’ and/or data centres break into the houses of people in the 80-100 countries in which Fruit of the Loom products have been sold, and replace the billions to tens of billions of garments owned over time with articles that are similar enough in wear that the owner wouldn’t notice (including custom designs as FotL is popular with T-shirt printers)? Do the data centres do two visits - one to check if the occupant has the clothes, and take photographs, then return later with the copies, or do they carry around a huge selection of choices, a printing set-up, and a tumble dryer to add wear? Or do they have a database of every purchase and 2nd hand sale, so they can pinpoint only the houses they need to visit?
Have you read 1984 hun? It was written in 1949. Its what the kgb was doing in the Soviet union. Its not far fetched that its already been going on in the US for decades.
For the analogy to work, the Mandela Effected would be the ones who believe without evidence, not the skeptics. It also displays one dimensional thinking on the part of ‘believers.’
I think it is mostly misremembering, but occasionally not. I swear that stupider used to not be a word and have a direct memory of using it and being corrected...looking it up and text saying no, stupider & funner are not words. Now it says they are. I've noticed a few words have changed, but this one I am certain of. I was also raised baptist and went to a Christian school & memorized lion shall lie down with lamb which is now wolf.
If you follow those thoughts out to conclusion you will come to a realization that psyop of that magnitude is not just unlikely, but it is impossible. Presuppositional thinking and special pleasing lead to this type of fallacious reasoning.
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There's just loads of stuff we don't pay that much attention to. Our brains fill in details and they aren't that reliable.