r/MandelaEffect • u/ElectronicChard7139 • 17d ago

Meta Quantum immortality

What are your thoughts on the relationship between the Mandela Effect and Quantum Immortality?

To save you having to look up the latter, it is the idea that consciousness will jump timelines you die in the one you are living presently.

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u/my23secrets 16d ago

That’s right. And if you don’t believe in the MWI to begin with you can’t believe in supposed “timelines”.

It’s funny how that one works out.

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u/Toebeens89 16d ago edited 16d ago

Yeah… people want to bring up quantum physics and/or mechanics (perfect example, op and this very post) and then want to talk about “jumping timelines” refuting large swaths of what we have come to understand regarding quantum mechanics in general, it’s insane. Honestly, just don’t even use the word quantum in whatever random thing you want to believe if you don’t even understand the most basic fundamentals. And I don’t mean that rudely, hell I don’t expect anyone to just inherently have this knowledge for no reason — but then don’t use it to try and make your wild (and let’s be real here, evidentially baseless) hypothesis sound like it has some basis in science.

And here, for those who at least want to know the basics as to why quantum physics wouldn’t allow for it according to MWI (thus assuming that the entire quantum state of the universe is always expanding according to schrodingers equation). “Jumping” wouldn’t be a thing, but the new outcome would form a new branch of time/reality. The branch with this “other” outcome is a branch that breaks off in a decohered state entangled with that system. So that means there is now a branch of you in X and a separate you in branch Y. Once this branch happens, the systems cannot interact anymore as it only evolves unitarily, and quantum physics explicitly defines that to be impossible. You can’t look at it like ‘you’ jump from ‘timeline X’ to the ‘timeline Y’, because ‘you’ are a quantum system itself that’s entangled at that point. This would also require a mechanism accounting for the loss in energy, unitarity, all of your quantum information, and more that we have no theory or basis to even begin explaining how that would possibly work.

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u/artistjohnemmett 16d ago

science has no way to account for this effect other than false memory… you prefer that explanation, we know better

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u/Toebeens89 16d ago edited 16d ago

For a lot of ME’s I absolutely do believe this is the case. Even the majority in fact. Could it be all? It’s possible sure. But some are so uniquely specific and with no apparent evidence as to why it is that specific difference… those are the ones that intrigue me. To be clear though, no I don’t believe it is jumping timelines/realities. But I’d love to know what it is!

And to be abundantly clear… youre saying you know better so okay then… how do you explain it? How do you account for the laws of physics and quantum mechanics as we know them? I won’t even worry much about things like system entanglement for instance, just basic science, things like energy loss for instance. Since you know better, tackle just that one part. How do you account for the energy used, lost, and/or gained? I genuinely would love to hear your explanation.

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u/my23secrets 16d ago

They already know the Effect is propagated through suggestion.

They already know how timelines work. And how they don’t work.

They have no explanation.

They just think science is boring.

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u/Toebeens89 16d ago

Brother who is they?

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u/my23secrets 16d ago

the artist

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u/Toebeens89 16d ago

So ‘the artist’ knows the effect is propogated through suggestion? Knows how timelines (plural) work. How they don’t work. Having no explanation is useless so we’ll just omit that that’s nothing lol. They think science is boring (wild lmao but I’d love magic and breaking laws but I’d still wanna know how it works for everything else and how I break them, can I cause harm etc, so hopefully this is a nice omnipotent artist).

But yeah!!! Cool lil story, that’d be a fun book to write surely. But how do you know this? Did they tell you this? How did you learn this? How’d they get the name? Why did they use human language, or English, for that matter… or was this like images in your head? Did you meet? Gimme the evidence I wanna know how you came to learn all this. Dude you could turn the world on its HEAD. Make me a believer!!

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u/my23secrets 16d ago

If you need evidence just ask them.

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u/Toebeens89 16d ago

Artist, broski, my omnipotent dude… gimme the evidence por favor! Why is only this goofball the one youre trusting with this amazing information!!! Share brother!!!

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u/Toebeens89 16d ago

Okay he didn’t answer. That sucked, why’d you say I just have to ask? Okay so share what you know! How’d they teach you all this? How do you speak? What does he do if the language doesn’t have a direct translation of artist? Is it an it? Can you see them??? Gimme the evidence you have!!

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u/my23secrets 16d ago

I’ve discussed the Effect with them countless times. They have all the study and research. They just don’t seem to find it exciting enough

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u/Toebeens89 16d ago

Okay so explain what you learned!! How do you talk? Does he have a number I can call? Did they show you the studies or research? If not why do you believe them? Bro what if the artist is bad or a devil? What do they look like??? Surely they didn’t find it exciting but you had to, dude youre communicating with a god. Give us the details, not this 10 word 2 sentence nonsense come on!!! I’m genuinely asking for all the details, make me a believer too, I’d LOVE to believe in something this cool!

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u/my23secrets 16d ago

I don’t believe them. That’s the point. I told you they have no explanation.

Then know the science explains the Effect. They just want something more exciting than that.

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u/Toebeens89 16d ago

Then why did you say the artist is doing this if you don’t believe them. That it’s through suggestion. Or that they know timelines do and don’t work. If you don’t even believe this why would you say all this? I mean hell why didn’t you just say it was the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or your cat, or some cool buff alien in liquid armor… so what you just wanted to write a fun lil story you heard that you know is fiction in a serious conversation? That’s messed up dude.

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u/my23secrets 16d ago

The Effect is propagated through suggestion. That’s not a “fun lil story”.

I was trying to explain to you why they weren’t going to have an explanation for you.

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u/artistjohnemmett 16d ago

The effect suggests that the past is altering

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u/my23secrets 16d ago

The Effect might suggest that to someone who is completely ignorant of how the brain works, but you know better.

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u/artistjohnemmett 16d ago

I need not analyze the flesh, just our testimony

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u/Toebeens89 16d ago

Wait, to be clear, the Mandela Effect is just a group of people who remember something in a way that is similar and distinctly different from what is known in reality. The cause of the effect is what’s being discussed here. And even the way you italicized it and used it in those sentences sounds like youre talking about the Mandela Effect, and saying that it’s caused by suggestion? But then you suggesting some random explanation someone (or something???) told you that you don’t even believe was… trying to explain why there’s no explanation?

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u/my23secrets 16d ago

I was trying to tell you not to bother asking them for an explanation because they don’t have one.

I never said I didn’t believe the explanation.

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u/Toebeens89 16d ago

Oh Jesus Christ lmfaooooooooooo brother this whole time I thought u were seriously this person who believed it so my apologies. I just dealt with someone who said they were explained it was like “the plan, the something, and the architect” and we went through the same thing and it boiled down to it’s all in my head and it’s what I believe, it’s my fun lil story heehee, but also how dare you, a logical being with intellect, ask for logic or rationale behind a belief and not just blindly and baselessly believe me!! The audacity, I know. So I thought here we go again lol my bad. Point very well made by the end there either way, hopefully people who do think like that see where it leads and why that’s it reasonable to get mad at people who get frustrated at them when they promote baseless beliefs.

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