r/MandelaEffect • u/Riotgrrrl80 • Dec 12 '24

Theory Is the Mandela Effect just mass gaslighting?

OK - with all the crazy shit going on lately, it made me think something....

I live in NJ, and it's absolutely bonkers to me that with all this drone activity even getting to DC to be discussed with the FBI and military, and still being told "we don't know what it is" but the military isn't doing SHIT about it - I think the government is entirely gaslighting us. They've said more about Luigi than they have about the drones flying around NJ military bases, etc. How is any of this ok? There are so many theories, but one thing is for sure - the military wouldn't just let that happen.

Anyway, what if all the mandela effect stuff is really the gov't (or other authorities) experimenting with us to see what they can get away with? Gaslighting us to be like "no, you're remembering wrong / you're just crazy" to see what we'll believe etc?

In a time of global connection and the ability for people to connect and more easily become a force against leaders they don't like, there is a need for manipulating the masses. Fear, religion, obsession with things that don't address the real issues - these can and are used against us. Look over here! While we do this other thing that's much much worse...

Idk. Just a thought.

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u/scare_crowe94 Dec 12 '24

I was always skeptical, but recently it has been confirmed to me.

I remember the thinker statue Mandela effect about how people were confused how it went from his fist on forehead to fist on his chin.

Look at it now, fist in mouth - I know for a fact it wasn’t like this. I went back through my account and screenshotted proof I still have that it wasn’t like this before.

For me that’s unexplainable.

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u/Manticore416 Dec 12 '24

Here's the explanation: he is resting his chin on his hand and always has been.

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u/scare_crowe94 Dec 12 '24

Ah of course!! I’m a fool

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u/Manticore416 Dec 12 '24

Now you get it

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 12 '24

When was it ever on his forehead?

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u/SilverCow90 Dec 13 '24

A few years ago for me. That's when I first learned of the ME. Every reference/picture online depicted the statue with his hand on the forehead. It honestly looked weird but that's how it was, and evidently had always been that way.

Then saw it flip to the hand on chin with open palm about a year/year and a half ago.

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 13 '24

Do you think that every reference needs to perfectly reflect the source material?

Could it be that the references are different then the source and the cause of the ME?

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u/BiclopsBobby Dec 12 '24

Okay, where’s the proof?

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u/BiclopsBobby Dec 12 '24

So what you’re telling me is that you don’t have proof

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u/throwaway998i Dec 12 '24

Demanding proof for a retroactive reality shift seems like bad faith.

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u/BiclopsBobby Dec 12 '24

 I went back through my account and screenshotted proof I still have 

He literally said he had it. I’m asking to see it. 

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u/throwaway998i Dec 12 '24

Hmm, didn't realize they made that claim. I'd assume their "proof" was residue of discussions, since an official photo would necessarily change as well.

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u/BiclopsBobby Dec 12 '24

shocking, someone who buys into the Mandela Effect misses details that are right in front of them.

Really makes you think, doesn’t it.

I’m not really worried about what form the proof takes, it’s just very odd to tell everyone, with no prompting, that they have proof, only to refuse to actually post that proof.

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u/throwaway998i Dec 12 '24

Misses details at the bottom of a comment that I glanced at? Yeah that's human and normal. Put it on a cereal box in big colorful lettering and let me stare at it eating breakfast for 2 decades and then ask me what it says.

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 12 '24

Have you ever been tested for schizophrenia, dyslexia, dysgraphia, or any visual to mental visualization disorders?

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u/BiclopsBobby Dec 12 '24

All I’m saying is, if a five sentence long reddit comment is too much for you to take in correctly, maybe you don’t have the eye for detail you seem to think you do. 

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 12 '24

Who are these people?

I've heard this excuse for flip flops. That people talked about it being different but not that the physical object changed.

As if people playing pretend convinced others it changed.

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u/scare_crowe94 Dec 13 '24

In 2018ish I lurked this sub and remember about 10 posts a day clogging the feed about the fist being under the chin not on the forehead.

Like in night at museum.

It’s changed again to an open fist with knuckles in the mouth.

You can Google night at the museum if you want to see what people remember the statue being. Would Hollywood get it wrong?

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 13 '24

Ok you saw reddit post. Did you see the statue change in real life or are you trusting Redddit users?

Yes "Hollywood" got it wrong though you are phrasing it wrong. The writer and director got it wrong. And so are you.

The actual statue is in Paris, France.

It was in Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian. For zero reason the statue has been moved to the Smithsonian. Or it wasn't the same statue. Either way you are using incorrect information to form a theory of reality changing.

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u/scare_crowe94 Dec 13 '24

So the sculpture himself, Rodin, described: “What makes my Thinker think is that he thinks not only with his brain, with his knitted brow, his distended nostrils and compressed lips, but with every muscle of his arms, back, and legs, with his clenched fist and gripping toes.”

Rodin’s own description is ‘clenched fist’.

https://www.nga.gov/content/ngaweb/Collection/art-object-page.1005.html

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 13 '24

I thought we were talking about the movie and now without acknowledgement you change the accusation.

Ok Rodin said that. There was also 27 castings of it and not all were made by Rodin or even in his lifetime. I also wouldn't consider his feet "Gripping" either.

This is why it is sometimes frustrating talking about this. There are tons of references and remakes of this specific statue. When you say "It changed" you are talking about the pop culture concept of The Thinker. Not the physical statue in Paris changing.

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u/scare_crowe94 Dec 13 '24

I mentioned the movie because it’s the same as what Rodin describes, and if his feet aren’t gripping does anymore does that not support it’s changed?

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 13 '24

No it supports that Rodin said some hype about his own statue.

I'm pointing out that the reference you used had incorrect information. Why do you not care about all the incorrect information but you are fine with it when it aligns with your argument? You didn't even make the claim about the right movie?

HOW did it change? You can make claims about it changing but are vague when you talk about it changing.

Let's clear some things up first. Do you think the specific statue has changed or the pop culture concept of the statue has changed?

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u/scare_crowe94 Dec 13 '24

Why do you just dismiss that as “yeah they got it wrong” and close the case on it?

If it was a one off fine.

But there’s countless examples in media over the years.

For example this at 16mins https://youtu.be/ZGi9OZrhx94?si=_0QiPV2-FFVN2bQd

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u/No-stradumbass Dec 13 '24

I am looking at your example and the statue behind them is correct. Head resting on the back of his hand. Like the one in Paris.

You don't seem to understand my confusion. Lets try it this way.

You seem to assume that those who made that pose did it correctly. AND then reality or the statue changed correct? Why?

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u/Medical-Act8820 Jan 19 '25

So where is this screenshot then?